America Is NOT Broke ...the Madison speech by Michael Moore (The film maker..remember SICKO?)

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Dear people: I am posting this here to reach as many in our community as possible. It is relevant to our situation because it discusses money and power in the US today. It is indeed a story about the banks that have and continue to destroy lives. About two months ago I sent an email to Michael asking him to make a film about this. I do not know if he will, nor did I ever receive any personal response from him about that but I did receive this today which I share with you. There are people who can have a powerful impact on our situation and I believe he is one of them. I think you may find it enlightening or at least a worthy read.
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America Is NOT Broke ...the Madison speech by Michael Moore
Delivered in Madison, Wisconsin on Saturday, March 5th, 2011.
Video available here.
America is not broke.

Contrary to what those in power would like you to believe so that you'll give up your pension, cut your wages, and settle for the life your great-grandparents had, America is not broke. Not by a long shot. The country is awash in wealth and cash. It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks and the portfolios of the uber-rich.

Today just 400 Americans have the same wealth as half of all Americans combined.
Let me say that again. 400 obscenely rich people, most of whom benefited in some way from the multi-trillion dollar taxpayer "bailout" of 2008, now have as much loot, stock and property as the assets of 155 million Americans combined. If you can't bring yourself to call that a financial coup d'état, then you are simply not being honest about what you know in your heart to be true.

And I can see why. For us to admit that we have let a small group of men abscond with and hoard the bulk of the wealth that runs our economy, would mean that we'd have to accept the humiliating acknowledgment that we have indeed surrendered our precious Democracy to the moneyed elite. Wall Street, the banks and the Fortune 500 now run this Republic -- and, until this past month, the rest of us have felt completely helpless, unable to find a way to do anything about it.

I have nothing more than a high school degree. But back when I was in school, every student had to take one semester of economics in order to graduate. And here's what I learned: Money doesn't grow on trees. It grows when we make things. It grows when we have good jobs with good wages that we use to buy the things we need and thus create more jobs. It grows when we provide an outstanding educational system that then grows a new generation of inventors, entrepreneurs, artists, scientists and thinkers who come up with the next great idea for the planet. And that new idea creates new jobs and that creates revenue for the state. But if those who have the most money don't pay their fair share of taxes, the state can't function. The schools can't produce the best and the brightest who will go on to create those jobs. If the wealthy get to keep most of their money, we have seen what they will do with it: recklessly gamble it on crazy Wall Street schemes and crash our economy. The crash they created cost us millions of jobs. That too caused a reduction in tax revenue. Everyone ended up suffering because of what the rich did.

The nation is not broke, my friends. Wisconsin is not broke. Saying that the country is broke is repeating a Big Lie. It's one of the three biggest lies of the decade: 1) America is broke, 2) Iraq has WMD, and 3) The Packers can't win the Super Bowl without Brett Favre.

The truth is, there's lots of money to go around. LOTS. It's just that those in charge have diverted that wealth into a deep well that sits on their well-guarded estates. They know they have committed crimes to make this happen and they know that someday you may want to see some of that money that used to be yours. So they have bought and paid for hundreds of politicians across the country to do their bidding for them. But just in case that doesn't work, they've got their gated communities, and the luxury jet is always fully fueled, the engines running, waiting for that day they hope never comes. To help prevent that day when the people demand their country back, the wealthy have done two very smart things:

1. They control the message. By owning most of the media they have expertly convinced many Americans of few means to buy their version of the American Dream and to vote for their politicians. Their version of the Dream says that you, too, might be rich some day -- this is America, where anything can happen if you just apply yourself! They have conveniently provided you with believable examples to show you how a poor boy can become a rich man, how the child of a single mother in Hawaii can become president, how a guy with a high school education can become a successful filmmaker. They will play these stories for you over and over again all day long so that the last thing you will want to do is upset the apple cart -- because you -- yes, you, too! -- might be rich/president/an Oscar-winner some day! The message is clear: keep you head down, your nose to the grindstone, don't rock the boat and be sure to vote for the party that protects the rich man that you might be some day.

2. They have created a poison pill that they know you will never want to take. It is their version of mutually assured destruction. And when they threatened to release this weapon of mass economic annihilation in September of 2008, we blinked. As the economy and the stock market went into a tailspin, and the banks were caught conducting a worldwide Ponzi scheme, Wall Street issued this threat: Either hand over trillions of dollars from the American taxpayers or we will crash this economy straight into the ground. Fork it over or it's Goodbye savings accounts. Goodbye pensions. Goodbye United States Treasury. Goodbye jobs and homes and future. It was friggin' awesome and it scared the shit out of everyone. "Here! Take our money! We don't care. We'll even print more for you! Just take it! But, please, leave our lives alone, PLEASE!"

The executives in the board rooms and hedge funds could not contain their laughter, their glee, and within three months they were writing each other huge bonus checks and marveling at how perfectly they had played a nation full of ****ers. Millions lost their jobs anyway, and millions lost their homes. But there was no revolt (see #1).

Until now. On Wisconsin! Never has a Michigander been more happy to share a big, great lake with you! You have aroused the sleeping giant known as the working people of the United States of America. Right now the earth is shaking and the ground is shifting under the feet of those who are in charge. Your message has inspired people in all 50 states and that message is: WE HAVE HAD IT! We reject anyone who tells us America is broke and broken. It's just the opposite! We are rich with talent and ideas and hard work and, yes, love. Love and compassion toward those who have, through no fault of their own, ended up as the least among us. But they still crave what we all crave: Our country back! Our democracy back! Our good name back! The United States of America. NOT the Corporate States of America. The United States of America!

So how do we make this happen? Well, we do it with a little bit of Egypt here, a little bit of Madison there. And let us pause for a moment and remember that it was a poor man with a fruit stand in Tunisia who gave his life so that the world might focus its attention on how a government run by billionaires for billionaires is an affront to freedom and morality and humanity.

Thank you, Wisconsin. You have made people realize this was our last best chance to grab the final thread of what was left of who we are as Americans. For three weeks you have stood in the cold, slept on the floor, skipped out of town to Illinois -- whatever it took, you have done it, and one thing is for certain: Madison is only the beginning. The smug rich have overplayed their hand. They couldn't have just been content with the money they raided from the treasury. They couldn't be satiated by simply removing millions of jobs and shipping them overseas to exploit the poor elsewhere. No, they had to have more -- something more than all the riches in the world. They had to have our soul. They had to strip us of our dignity. They had to shut us up and shut us down so that we could not even sit at a table with them and bargain about simple things like classroom size or bulletproof vests for everyone on the police force or letting a pilot just get a few extra hours sleep so he or she can do their job -- their $19,000 a year job. That's how much some rookie pilots on commuter airlines make, maybe even the rookie pilot who flew me here to Madison today. He told me he's stopped hoping for a pay increase. All he's asking for now is enough down time so that he doesn't have to sleep in his car between shifts at O'Hare airport. That's how despicably low we have sunk! The wealthy couldn't be content with just paying this man $19,000 a year. They had to take away his sleep. They had to demean him and dehumanize him and rub his face in it. After all, he's just another slob, isn't he?

And that, my friends, is Corporate America's fatal mistake. But trying to destroy us they have given birth to a movement -- a movement that is becoming a massive, nonviolent revolt across the country. We all knew there had to be a breaking point some day, and that point is upon us. Many people in the media don't understand this. They say they were caught off guard about Egypt, never saw it coming. Now they act surprised and flummoxed about why so many hundreds of thousands have come to Madison over the last three weeks during brutal winter weather. "Why are they all standing out there in the cold?" I mean, there was that election in November and that was supposed to be that!

"There's something happening here, and you don't know what it is, do you ...?"
America ain't broke! The only thing that's broke is the moral compass of the rulers. And we aim to fix that compass and steer the ship ourselves from now on. Never forget, as long as that Constitution of ours still stands, it's one person, one vote, and it's the thing the rich hate most about America -- because even though they seem to hold all the money and all the cards, they begrudgingly know this one unshakeable basic fact: There are more of us than there are of them!

Madison, do not retreat. We are with you. We will win together.

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BabyBlue

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A second email from filmmaker Michael Moore (sent to those on his mail list) Bravo Wisconsin!

I am thinking as I read these emails and watch the video...this is the America I know and love, it is still there. I am going to forward these emails from Michael to everyone I know. America, God bless her..."Stand beside her and guide her, through the night with the light from above...". There is still hope.
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How I Got to Madison, Wisconsin ...a letter from Michael Moore
Sunday, March 6th, 2011​
Friends,

Early yesterday morning, around 1:00 AM, I had finished work for the day on my current "project" (top secret for now -- sorry, no spoiler alerts!). Someone had sent me a link to a discussion Bill O'Reilly had had with Sarah Palin a few hours earlier about my belief that the money the 21st Century rich have absconded with really isn't theirs -- and that a vast chunk of it should be taken away from them.

They were referring to comments I had made earlier in the week on a small cable show called GRITtv (Part 1 and Part 2). I honestly didn't know this was going to air that night (I had been asked to stop by and say a few words of support for a nurses union video), but I spoke from my heart about the millions of our fellow Americans who have had their homes and jobs stolen from them by a criminal class of millionaires and billionaires. It was the morning after the Oscars, at which the winner of Best Documentary for "Inside Job" stood at the microphone and declared, "I must start by pointing out that three years after our horrific financial crisis caused by financial fraud, not a single financial executive has gone to jail. And that's wrong." And he was applauded for saying this. (When did they stop booing Oscar speeches? Damn!)

So GRITtv ran my comments -- and all week the right wingopoly has been upset over what I said: That the money that the rich have stolen (or not paid taxes on) belongs to the American people. Drudge/Limbaugh/Beck and even Donald Trump went nuts, calling me names and suggesting I move to Cuba.

So in the wee hours of yesterday morning I sat down to write an answer to them. By 3:00 AM, it had turned into more of a manifesto of class war -- or, I should say, a manifesto against the class war the rich have been conducting on the American people for the past 30 years. I read it aloud to myself to see how it sounded (trying not to wake anyone else in the apartment) and then -- and this is why no one should be up at 3:00 AM -- the crazy kicked in: I needed to get in the car and drive to Madison and give this speech.

I went online to get directions and saw that there was no official big rally planned like the one they had last Saturday and will have again next Saturday. Just the normal ongoing demonstration and occupation of the State Capitol that's been in process since February 12th (the day after Mubarak was overthrown in Egypt) to protest the Republican governor's move to kill the state's public unions.

So, it's three in the morning and I'm a thousand miles from Madison and I see that the open microphone for speakers starts at noon. Hmm. No time to drive from New York. I was off to the airport. I left a note on the kitchen table saying I'd be back at 9:00 PM. Called a friend and asked him if he wanted to meet me at the Delta counter. Called the guy who manages my website, woke him up, and asked him to track down the coordinators in Madison and tell them I'm on my way and would like to say a few words if possible -- "but tell them if they've got other plans or no room for me, I'll be happy just to stand there holding a sign and singing Solidarity Forever."

So I just showed up. The firefighters, hearing I'm there, ask me to lead their protest parade through downtown Madison. I march with them, along with John Nichols (who lives in Madison and writes for the Nation). Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin and the great singer Michelle Shocked have also decided to show up.

The scene in Madison is nothing like what they are showing you on TV or in the newspaper. First, you notice that the whole town is behind this. Yard signs and signs in store windows are everywhere supporting public workers. There are thousands of people out just randomly lining the streets for the six blocks leading to the Capitol building carrying signs, shouting and cheering and cajoling. Then there are stages and friendly competing demos on all sides of the building (yesterday's total estimate of people was 50,000-70,000, the smallest one yet)! A big semi truck has been sent by James Hoffa of the Teamsters and is parked like a don't-even-think-of-effing-with-us Sherman tank on the street in front of the Capitol. There is a long line -- separate from these other demonstrations -- of 4,000 people, waiting their turn to get through the only open door to the Capitol so they can join the occupation inside.

And inside the Rotunda is ... well, it will bring tears to your eyes if you go there. It's like a shrine to working people -- to what America is and should be about -- packed with families and kids and so many senior citizens that it made me happy for science and its impact on life expectancy over the past century. There were grandmas and great-grandpas who remember FDR and Wisconsin's La Follette and the long view of this struggle. Standing in that Rotunda was like a religious experience. There had been nothing like it, for me, in decades.

And so it was in this setting, out of doors now on the steps of the Capitol, with so many people in front of me that I couldn't see where they ended, that I just "showed up" and gave a speech that felt unlike any other I had ever given. As I had just written it and had no time to memorize it, I read from the pages I brought with me. I wanted to make sure that the words I had chosen were clear and exact. I knew they had the potential to drive the haters into a rabid state (not a pretty sight) but I also feared that the Right's wealthy patrons would see a need to retaliate should these words be met with citizen action across the land. I was, after all, putting them on notice: We are coming after you, we are stopping you and we are going to return the money/jobs/homes you stole from the people. You have gone too far. It's too bad you couldn't have been satisfied with making millions, you had to have billions -- and now you want to strip us of our ability to talk and bargain and provide. This is your tipping point, Wall Street; your come-to-Jesus moment, Corporate America. And I'm glad I'm going to be able to be a witness to it.

You can find the written version of my speech on my website. Please read it and pass it around far and wide. You can also watch a video of me giving the spoken version from the Capitol steps by clicking here. I will be sending you a second email shortly with just the speech so you can forward a clean version of it without the above story of how I abandoned my family in the middle of the night to go to Wisconsin for the day.
I can't express enough the level of admiration I have for the people of Wisconsin who, for three weeks, have braved the brutal winter cold and taken over their state Capitol. All told, literally hundreds of thousands of people have made their way to Madison to make their voices heard. It all began with high school students cutting class and marching on the building (you can read their reports on my High School Newspaper site). Then their parents joined them. Then 14 brave Democratic state senators left the state so the governor wouldn't have his quorum.

And all this while the White House was trying to stop this movement (read this)!
But it didn't matter. The People's train had left the station. And now protests were springing up in all 50 states.

The media has done a poor job covering this (imagine a takeover of the government HQ in any other country, free or totalitarian -- our media would be all over it). But this one scares them and their masters -- as it should. The organizers told me this morning that my showing up got them more coverage yesterday than they would have had, "a shot in the arm that we needed to keep momentum going." Well, I'm glad I could help. But they need a lot more than just me -- and they need you doing similar things in your own states and towns.

How 'bout it? I know you know this: This is our moment. Let's seize it. Everyone can do something.

Yours,
Michael Moore

[email protected]
MichaelMoore.com

P.S. This local Madison paper/blog captured best what happened yesterday, and got what I'm really up to. Someone please send this to O'Reilly and Palin so there's no mistaking my true intentions.
P.P.S. Full disclosure: I am a proud union member of four unions: the Directors Guild, the Writers Guild, the Screen Actors Guild and AFTRA (the last two have passed resolutions supporting the workers in Wisconsin). My production company has signed union contracts with five unions (and soon to be a 6th). All my full-time employees have full medical and dental insurance with NO DEDUCTIBLE. So, yes, I'm biased.
 

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I have always known this whole mess we are in has been planned by the finest minds in the country. It is all rigged and the politicians have been bought off. It is all about control of the population. It is called finacial servitude of the middle and poor classes of this country. However I have always thought there has to be an angle somewhere something they have not covered and I believe in my case I have found it. Everyones case is different the only way we are the same is most of us are in modification Hell.
 

espo1357

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I have always known this whole mess we are in has been planned by the finest minds in the country. It is all rigged and the politicians have been bought off. It is all about control of the population. It is called finacial servitude of the middle and poor classes of this country. However I have always thought there has to be an angle somewhere something they have not covered and I believe in my case I have found it. Everyones case is different the only way we are the same is most of us are in modification Hell.
Of course its rigged. I learned the hard way too. Thought the "system" of mortages was clean. What a bad line of thinking.

As for Moore, they guy really has his head up his ass. The guy is rich, so how does he know of true struggle? These teachers are spoiled brats, and for them to close school shows that they don't give a shit about the kids.
 

llbarker

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Of course its rigged. I learned the hard way too. Thought the "system" of mortages was clean. What a bad line of thinking.

As for Moore, they guy really has his head up his ass. The guy is rich, so how does he know of true struggle? These teachers are spoiled brats, and for them to close school shows that they don't give a shit about the kids.

espo1357
They have you upset at the wrong people, we all deserve the right to earn a good living, we can do better than fight over the scraps and each other, lets us use are energy and votes for US not them.
 

espo1357

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Of course its rigged. I learned the hard way too. Thought the "system" of mortages was clean. What a bad line of thinking.

As for Moore, they guy really has his head up his ass. The guy is rich, so how does he know of true struggle? These teachers are spoiled brats, and for them to close school shows that they don't give a shit about the kids.

espo1357
They have you upset at the wrong people, we all deserve the right to earn a good living, we can do better than fight over the scraps and each other, lets us use are energy and votes for US not them.
Well, its taxpayer money paying for these overpaid teacher. I was a teacher for a few years, and it was a joke. I left too make more money elsewhere.

If these teachers are not happy with the cut, then move on.

You are not supposed to go into teaching for the money. They know that going in. And what they did to the kids, cancelling school and all is, shameful.

Its a bill that has to be paid by taxpayers in the private sector, funding these overpaid public clowns that have little accountability, especially after tenure.

No apologies here, although the bankers are still the biggest bums around.
 

espo1357

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I love these teachers that say its all about education, yet they all call in sick at the same time to screw the kids?

Explain that to me, and maybe I will agree with your position.

Good education does not come from spending more money, and if you don't get that, then you have problems.
 

RyanJP

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Everyone has a right *for a chance* to make a decent living.

I was initially on the fence about who to support in the Wisconsin financial crisis. I have family members who are public workers, including teachers. I also have friends who have had their local school boards raise taxes so much in just a few years that they can no longer afford their homes.

But having watched the shameful behavior of the Democrat senators and the Wisconsin teachers' union, and after having learned more and more details of their contracts, I am all for limiting public union collective bargaining to base wages.

And now its coming to light that the fleebaggers are actually taking their marching orders from national union leaders and the Obama administration, rather than their own constituents. That's truly a shame.

Michael Moore fits right in with the rest of the organized crime syndicate that makes up most of the labor unions these days.
 

DELL1

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if a person obtains their wealth by violating the law they should surrender that wealth and pay restitution to the victims.

in the midst of the biggest financial swindle and transfer of wealth of all time we, meaning the US taxpayers and consumers have government union employees to enforce the law and bring about the restitution.

yet, you dont see it happening.

what is REALLY happening is the John Q. Publics like us getting squeezed from both protected huge money interset AND self-serving government employees.

The infamous Koch Brothers and Mike Moore and just opposite sides of the pliers squishing our nuts
 

espo1357

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if a person obtains their wealth by violating the law they should surrender that wealth and pay restitution to the victims.

in the midst of the biggest financial swindle and transfer of wealth of all time we, meaning the US taxpayers and consumers have government union employees to enforce the law and bring about the restitution.

yet, you dont see it happening.

what is REALLY happening is the John Q. Publics like us getting squeezed from both protected huge money interset AND self-serving government employees.

The infamous Koch Brothers and Mike Moore and just opposite sides of the pliers squishing our nuts
Squished our nuts!

I laughed out loud!

Couldn't agree MORE with the both of you, Ryan too. John Q. is getting smarter, with the rise of the Internet and alternative media.

As the old saying goes, when people have money that is not theirs (taxpayer money), then they are very likely to not spend that money wisely. If that money was coming out of their pocket, then they would be outraged at the waste.
 

llbarker

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espo1357 and RyanJP

I hear and feel your anger, I understand it because I have it also. There are many things that need changed including our Education system.
I do disagree with how you would do it. Why should all teachers be attacked because some have made a living not performing. Most do. I am now fighting back for my rights don't teachers have that same right? In the end if we don't stand up for each other who will be left standing?
 

RyanJP

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espo1357 and RyanJP

I hear and feel your anger, I understand it because I have it also. There are many things that need changed including our Education system.
I do disagree with how you would do it. Why should all teachers be attacked because some have made a living not performing. Most do. I am now fighting back for my rights don't teachers have that same right? In the end if we don't stand up for each other who will be left standing?
Oh, I agree with you that not all, or even most, teachers are under performing.

The major problem I have is that under the current system, taxpayers really get the short end of the stick. Especially when it comes to the teachers. In most cases, the unions are negotiating with boards that are made up of members of the same union, so in effect, they are negotiating with themselves... there's no incentive to control costs.

Another thing that as really soured me on the democrats and unions is that they are deliberately blocking the will of the people... We elected fiscally responsible officials decisively in the last election. The losers are now throwing a temper tantrum because suddenly they aren't in control, and rather than have honest discussions, they pull whatever tricks they can, even illegal ones, to thwart the will of the people.

So, for individual teachers and public workers, I love 'em. Whatever good will I had towards the labor unions as a unit, is now at the bottom of lake Michigan.
 

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It is a history of abuses our Capitalistic society has been subject to due to the Oligarchy pushing their own agenda (think Koch brothers)....<o:p></o:p>
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I am not sure why it is considered abusive for a teacher to make 50K a year....Please explain.....<o:p></o:p>
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Also, the Democrats are wanting to talk....but the Republicans just want to vote and not discuss...which is why the Democrats left town in order to at least have the discussions about this.....they feel it is absolutely wrong for them to just start taking away rights of workers on a whim.....Rights that many people have fought hard for....see the above link to be reminded of the abuses....<o:p></o:p>
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From what I understand the teachers unions are willing to give up some pay, but there is no reason they should be giving up their bargaining rights....why is it so important to give up their bargaining rights?<o:p></o:p>
 

DELL1

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From what I understand the teachers unions are willing to give up some pay, but there is no reason they should be giving up their bargaining rights....why is it so important to give up their bargaining rights?
my grandfather died in a coal mine accident many, many years ago and his body was delivered to my grandmother in a pine box. the company said sorry. back then, the union movement was truly righteous and was private citizens (wage earners) banding together collectively to bargain with private companies (wage payers).

govermnent employee unions have wrapped themselves in my grandfathers funeral shroud and turned this business dynamic on its head. they don't "bargain" with the wagepayers. That is us, the taxpayer. They bargain with themselves, the other government union employees and WE are cut out of the loop.

that's how government has exploded in size and is choking off the real economic engine, the private sector.
 

ginnywilcox

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Government has exploded in size because the people demand more things:

Homeland Security
CIA
FBI
NSA
Border Security
2 Wars
A tax system that is so conveluted that we have to have a huge department to make sure people are paying their taxes (an a whole industry that helps us figure out our taxes)
criminal justice system/jail
Schools
police/fire
space program
and a load of regulators to make sure our Oligarchy doesn't get away with things (although....that isn't the case since no one has been arrested for the fraud that was committed by wall street)...FTC, SEC, to name but only two of the many
FAA
FCC
FEMA
EPA (to prevent Corporations from overly destroying our enviornment)
Office of the Comptroller

>>small list of the many demands we have asked our government to do for us<<<<not to mention the Representatives and thier entourage they require to pass even more legislation....
 

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That is us, the taxpayer. They bargain with themselves, the other government union employees and WE are cut out of the loop.
My question is, do you think that by cutting unions off at the knees, WE the people will somehow suddenly get a better deal, that the private sector will start producing jobs and that the rising tide will lift all boats? It seems more likely to me that we will just be conceding the last bit of power a working stiff (even if it is a government working stiff) has, thereby conceding defeat to what has become America's ruling class. Personally, I'd rather my tax dollars went to some poor teacher than a Wall Street executive's pocket in the form a multi-billion dollar bailout.
 

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Unions are not to blame. Heck if you had more unions then America would have kept more jobs here than outsourcing to another country and exploiting the poor from 3rd world countries. I would put more blame on the greedy wall streets, banks, politicians and corporations. So if you are sending jobs to other countries, then the money stays in the other countries. Not to mention lost "work experience" of a nation. What does american make anymore that other countries can buy? Only that comes to mind to me is Military weapons. Even then its riduculous to find out that our military equipment is manufactured in other countries. What happen if there is a war and the country stops manufacturing to us? You can just open up a manufacturing building that quickly without some downtown and not to mention properly training the employees.

Don't believe in the lies and greed of "Fair Market". Keep the jobs in america and money will remain in america. Jobs in american fixes everything. People feel stable and are willing to spend when they know they have a paycheck coming, not to mention selfworth. Our problem today is america's middle class is being squeezed out.

Ask you self what is the difference when a small business hires a illegal immigrant for below minimum wage, and this is illegal (at least the immigrant has to spend some type of money in the usa). But its not illegal and even encouraged for Corporations to exploit other countries to pay even pennies a day? Fair Market my @$$.

IMHO - A win win would be for the USA to cut off gasoline (so we quite giving our money to the rich oil tycoons and Sheiks) and develop alternative energy. Be the first in the world with this new technology, then we as a nation will have to invest money in our country on creating a new infrastructure, manufacturing of this technology, new jobs, and a product we can actually sell to the rest of the world.

God Bless America.
 

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The States ARE Broke. Before the Republicans won the Sate of Wisconsin the Dems tried to work with the Teachers Union, For over a year and a half and The Unions refused to give anything. Now they want to work out a deal. Its too late... It would take a year to work out the new deal. Don't blame the republicans in this case do Blame the TEACHERS UNION Leaders.
 

DELL1

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My question is, do you think that by cutting unions off at the knees, WE the people will somehow suddenly get a better deal, that the private sector will start producing jobs and that the rising tide will lift all boats? It seems more likely to me that we will just be conceding the last bit of power a working stiff (even if it is a government working stiff) has, thereby conceding defeat to what has become America's ruling class. Personally, I'd rather my tax dollars went to some poor teacher than a Wall Street executive's pocket in the form a multi-billion dollar bailout.
i think you are comparing apples to oranges. And I think have missed my point. "Government employee union collective bargaining" is an Orwellian term. Don't you see the fallacy in calling government employment equal in bargaining positions to private?

Our biggest problem in regards to employment in my opinion is centered around trade issues. Wholle different ball of wax.
 

losingmymind

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Wow. We are arguing about teachers and unions now? The banks have won; they have turned us all against each other. Pensions are not, and have never been the root of our financial problems. Stayed focused people. We are all on the same side! When did public service employees become the enemy? They became the enemy when the banks destroyed our economy. Since we are not strong enough to fight the banks, we are looking for a scapegoat....people who work hard, pay their taxes, take furlough days, take pay cuts, pay higher health costs, get laid off, and lose their homes....just like every one else here.
You do realize that politicians get the best perks and pensions. I don''t hear any of them offering to take pay cuts, furlough days, reduced pensions. Stranger yet, I don't hear the public asking them to.