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    Trying to figure out Wells Fargo's intentions

    So, here is my story in a nutshell.

    Originally applied for Hamp in Dec 2009. Made all 3 trial payments timely. Was denied in May for having excessive reserves, which happened to be a simple placement error on my financial worksheet. I corrected the very next day, but alas no dice. I was then moved to L&M for in house solutions, even though I was wrongly denied for Hamp. In August, I was denied an in-house modification for having too much of a deficit. This after several attempts of having them actually calculate my income/expenses correctly. I don't think they even look at my numbers. They basically insert whatever numbers they feel are appropriate in order to look more favorable to them, creating a major disadvantage to me. I'm not sure if anyone else is experiencing this, but they absolutely do not calculate income/expenses correctly. I work a second job that involves tips/commission, which they conveniently decide to exclude from my monthly income. Furthermore, instead of using my expenses for food, etc they use national avg figures and use outdated credit report information, even though I have repeatedly faxed documentation to support lower monthly credit card payments.

    Finally, after receiving two denials, I receive an acceleration letter demanding arrears be paid in full by 9/1/10, which I refuse to pay. I contacted the OOP, thinking this may be my final shot at resolving these issues, and explained how my income/expenses are being egregiously miscalculated . The OOP rep was practically impossible to reach and never returned any phone calls. Even though I was told I would have an answer within 3 days, I was finally informed 3 weeks letter with another denial letter. Only this time, they actually DOUBLED the amount of my alleged monthly deficit, even though my financials reflect a small surplus. Needless to say, the OOP rep was worthless.

    So, basically after not returning phone calls to L&M and refusing to pay arrears or make any payments at all, my PMI company contacts me to inquire about my situation and proceeds to conference call Wells Fargo. I was asked by Wells if I could afford to make a down payment on the arrears, and that if I did I would be prequalified for a loan mod. I informed the rep I could not pay the arrears, but I agreed to go ahead and make a full monthly payment for Oct. Suddenly, the rep informs me that foreclosure proceedings have been stopped and requests that I submit all updated documentation. Even though I was shocked they would accept a regular monthly payment given that I am several payments behind, I at least find it encouraging. The rep was asking questions that I have never been asked before, which literally involves several hundred phone calls. So, it sounds as if maybe my PMI company is taking the initiative in trying to collaborate with Wells to reach a resolution and avoid foreclosure? I was formally notified two months ago of acceleration and notice of default, so I clearly expected to be served with foreclosure notices, but yet I have received nothing. Only received an envelope requesting updated financials, etc. Trying not to get my hopes up too high, but at the same time trying to remain cautiously optimistic.

    Does anyone else have any similar experiences they can relate to?

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    o, it sounds as if maybe my PMI company is taking the initiative in trying to collaborate with Wells to reach a resolution and avoid foreclosure? I was formally notified two months ago of acceleration and notice of default, so I clearly expected to be served with foreclosure notices, but yet I have received nothing. Only received an envelope requesting updated financials, etc. Trying not to get my hopes up too high, but at the same time trying to remain cautiously optimistic.

    Does anyone else have any similar experiences they can relate to?
    Hello JoshnDayton,

    We have many members here who have gone through almost the exact situation as yourself. It is not uncommon for them to miscalculate your income and deny your case even though the only reason you were ineligible was due to their mistakes. The person that gets assigned to your account has a lot to do with their decision and if that person is lazy and does not take the time to correctly input your information, this could very well be the reason you were denied.

    That is excellent news your PMI company got in contact with you to assist with the process. They are definitely on your side and will help you negotiate with Wells to help you prevent foreclosure. From the sounds of it your foreclosure has been placed on hold while they continue reviewing your account, but be prepared for another sale date to be set within a couple of months. As long as you are actively working on the mod you should be able to stop foreclosure for quite some time. We have some members who have postponed their sale date for more than 6 months during this process.

    I wish you the best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress!
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    Hello Evan,

    Thanks so much for providing insight. I was not even aware my PMI company would assist in negotiating with my lender on my behalf, so that is wonderful news.

    Thanks again.

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    Oh no problem josh, I really hope your PMI company can help you through this process. We will be here too to help out with any questions you may have.

    Good luck!
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    Modification Success!

    Just wanted to follow up to my original thread.

    I have recently been informed that my modification request was accepted! It truly has been a most exhausting journey that began almost a year ago. The stress at times has been almost unbearable and I really do feel for those who are dealing with this process.

    The terms are as follows: original terms were 30 years fixed @ 5.375%. New terms are 40 years fixed @ 4%. No principal reduction, late fees, interest, and deficit tacked on to the current balance. P&I reduction by almost $500/month.

    This is certainly a more favorable payment as original payment was $2300/month and now it is around $1800/month. I was hoping for something closer to a 2% step rate with the deficit being forgiven, but considering how difficult this modification was to attain, I am thrilled. After being denied 3 times and prepared to file BK, I feel I am truly blessed.

    I will definitely say that no matter what, you have to be prepared to send in all docs as timely as possible and be persistent. Also, it really depends on who works on your file. The gentleman that assisted me was able to push mine through in literally less than 2 weeks. Some of the initial processors I dealt with in L&M and the OOP contacts were absolutely worthless to work with. Another factor I believe was the fact that my PMI company took a proactive stance and really got the ball rolling.

    What do you guys think of the terms?

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