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Best Weapons for Self Defense

Discussion in 'Great Depression 2' started by Moe, Nov 6, 2009.

  1. Moe

    Moe Call 1-800-779-4547 Staff Member Loan Safe Mortgage

    The best weapons for self defense are those that are convenient to carry, easy to use, and are effective at forcing back an attacker. However, there is no single weapon that will work best for all kinds of situations.

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    Some will be more effective for self defense while you are outside your home while others would be better when you are at home. It would be up to you to take into account the advantages and disadvantages of each weapon and decide which to buy.

    • Firearms

    This is a good weapon when you are inside your home or outside. This may not be suitable for defense when you are in public because you can only carry it legally if you have a special permit. There is also a need to take some courses on firearms safety. Nevertheless, a firearm is an effective and powerful weapon that requires minimal strength and training.

    One gun is good, several are better. A combination handgun, carbine, rifle and shotgun would be the ultimate arsenal for self defense.Once you decide the type of gun is best for you, it is a relatively straightforward process to choose a caliber or gauge of ammunition that will fulfill your needs for protection.

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    Make sure you are aware of federal and state gun laws before you purchase a weapon.

    • Small knife & Big Knife

    A small knife may be a good weapon for use outside the home and a big knife for inside. A small knife is easier to conceal it and it is convenient to carry. However, you need to make sure that your knife is easy to open in case of an emergency. It could be used as a quick weapon that can surprise your attacker. This will allow you to escape while he is temporarily stunned. However, this will require some training for you to effectively use this kind of self defense weapon.

    Also most all states have laws for concealed weapons. Please be aware of the federal and state laws.

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    • Mace and pepper spray

    These are non-lethal weapons for self defense but you will also need to get some training to ensure that they are effective. The chemicals must get to the eyes of your attacker to allow you to escape. Some practice may be needed to ensure that you can aim the spray properly. You will also need to hold the spray bottle in your hand while you are in a neighborhood that could be dangerous.

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  2. Moe

    Moe Call 1-800-779-4547 Staff Member Loan Safe Mortgage

    Shooting prone can save your life by lessoning the target area (YOU) as you protect your life while firing at your attacker.

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  3. Moe

    Moe Call 1-800-779-4547 Staff Member Loan Safe Mortgage

    Knife self defense tactics.

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  4. davephx

    davephx LoanSafe Member

    Oh great that is all we need more violence and nut cakes like in Ft Hood and Fl office building running around with guns.

    No one in America needs an assault rifle.

    You need drivers education, license and insurance to drive a car. There should be at least those requirements to own a gun.
  5. Moe

    Moe Call 1-800-779-4547 Staff Member Loan Safe Mortgage

    Did you write the constitution Dave? Well, I am sure glad you didn't and I am sure millions of gun owners and experts would disagree with you and give you enough facts to dispute your feeling facts.

    In terms of reducing crime, the bans in DC and Chicago have been a complete failure--violent crime involving guns is higher now than it was when the bans passed (simply because the bans shift the balance of power to those that will ignore the law and own/carry guns REGARDLESS of the law)

    What you fail to realize in your nut case references make no sense.

    Hey Dave, if we made it illegal to carry money, we could reduce the supply of cash to muggers. If we outlawed cars, we could reduce the supply of cars to car thieves. If we made it illegal to walk after dark, we could reduce the number of people assaulted.

    First we have one who is paid to carry guns and kill by our government and the next is random. Maybe if the victims that were shot by these killers were properly armed, they would have stopped the attackers well before most of the people were shot.

    It has been proven time and time again that gun bans do not lesson violence and the killing of people by guns. It INCREASES it.

    Both sides say Chicago?s gun ban did'nt?t work, but agreement ends there

    Gun bans do not work dude. They only disarm the good people who will get shot by the criminals.

    I am sorry to inform you, but there were some great men who fonded our AWESOME country and others who have fought for our rights to bear arms as American citizens that we the people should listen to. We should NOT listen to a person who is defined by the news and propganda that he injests in todays world of fakery and lies in the Matrix now known as the USA.

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    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
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    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776
    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -- Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
    -- Thomas Jefferson

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    "[A] string of amendments were presented to the lower House; these altogether respected personal liberty." -- Letter to Patrick Henry, June 12, 1789, referring to the introduction of what became the Bill of Rights
    -- William Grayson

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    The Constitution preserves "the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- The Federalist, No. 46
    - James Madison

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    "f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights and those of their fellow citizens." -- The Federalist, No. 29
    - Alexander Hamilton

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    "[A]rms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. . . Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." -- Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775
    - Thomas Paine

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    "What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789
    - Elbridge Gerry

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    "The great object is, that every man be armed."
    - Patrick Henry

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    "That the people have a Right to mass and to bear arms; that a well regulated militia composed of the Body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper natural and safe defense of a free State..."
    - George Mason

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    "Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possesion and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
    - Patrick Henry

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    "...who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
    - George Mason

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    "Gaurd with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people!"
    - Patrick Henry

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    "No free government was ever founded or ever preserved its liberty, without uniting the characters of the citizen and soldier in those destined for the defense of the state.... Such are a well regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen."
    - State Gazette (Charleston), September 8, 1788

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    "While the people have property, arms in their hands, and only a spark of noble spirit, the most corrupt Congress must be mad to form any project of tyranny."
    - Rev. Nicholas Collin, Fayetteville Gazette (N.C.), October 12, 1789

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    "The powers of the sword, say the minority of Pennsylvania, is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for the powers of the sward are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress have no right to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American.... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or the state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
    - Pennsylvania Gazette, February 20, 1788

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    "Another source of power in government is a military force. But this, to be efficient, must be superior to any force that axists among the people, or which they can command; for otherwise this force would be annihilated, on the first exercise of acts of oppression. Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive."
    - Noah Webster An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Philadelphia, 1787

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    "The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large, will render many troops quite unecessary. They will form a powerful check upon the regular troops, and will generally be sufficient to over-awe them" - Tench Coxe, An American Citizen IV, October 21, 1787
    "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American . . . . The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." -- The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788
    "As the military forces which must occasionally be raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article (of amendment) in their right to keep and bear their private arms." -- Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789
  6. davephx

    davephx LoanSafe Member

    We don't have or need or have any militia today. This is not the 1700's.

    Many will argue these Constitutional issues do not apply to reasonable gun regs. We don't need to fight the British .. or Indians...or government.
  7. davephx

    davephx LoanSafe Member

    This is so silly. Militia refers to the organized military not individual citizens and Bear Arms refers to military service.

    The military has the right to arms not Citizens.

    The term "well regulated" in the Second Amendment has been interpreted as a usage of the term "regulated" to mean "disciplined" or "trained".[133] On what constitutes a well regulated militia, Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist No. 29:

    If a well regulated militia be the most natural defence of a free country, it ought certainly to be under the regulation and at the disposal of that body which is constituted the guardian of the national security....A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss.[45]

    Some scholars, such as Saul Cornell, have contended that modern militia movements are not what could be considered "well regulated", since they often lack fixed leadership and may have unstructured training regimes.

    Meaning of "to keep and bear arms"

    The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) defines the phrase To bear arms as "to serve as a soldier, do military service, fight." The OED dates this use to 1795.[116][117][118] Garry Wills, an author and history professor at Northwestern University, has written of the origin of the term bear arms:

    By legal and other channels, the Latin "arma ferre" entered deeply into the European language of war. Bearing arms is such a synonym for waging war that Shakespeare can call a just war " 'justborne arms" and a civil war "self-borne arms." Even outside the special phrase "bear arms," much of the noun's use echoes Latin phrases: to be under arms (sub armis), the call to arms (ad arma), to follow arms (arma sequi), to take arms (arma capere), to lay down arms (arma pœnere). "Arms" is a profession that one brother chooses the way another choose law or the church. An issue undergoes the arbitrament of arms." ... "One does not bear arms against a rabbit...[119]

    Garry Wills also cites Greek and Latin etymology:

    ... "Bear Arms" refers to military service, which is why the plural is used (based on Greek 'hopla pherein' and Latin 'arma ferre') – one does not bear arm, or bear an arm. The word means, etymologically, 'equipment' (from the root ar-* in verbs like 'ararisko', to fit out). It refers to the 'equipage' of war. Thus 'bear arms' can be used of naval as well as artillery warfare, since the "profession of arms" refers to all military callings.[120]

    In late-eighteenth-century parlance, bearing arms was a term of art with an obvious military and legal connotation. ... As a review of the Library of Congress's data base of congressional proceedings in the revolutionary and early national periods reveals, the thirty uses of 'bear arms' and 'bearing arms' in bills, statutes, and debates of the Continental, Confederation, and United States' Congresses between 1774 and 1821 invariably occur in a context exclusively focused on the army or the militia.[128]
  8. Moe

    Moe Call 1-800-779-4547 Staff Member Loan Safe Mortgage

    My post stands and one should always question who they listen to.

    Some guy they do not know on a forum, some website owner like me or the founding fathers of our country. I tend to think that the smart people who read this will side with the founding fathers of America who signed the Declaration of Independence and the bill of rights knew what they were doing and saying when they gave us our independence from the evil rule of the King of England and these rights to fight back against injustice.

    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776

    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -- Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764 --- Thomas Jefferson

    "f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights and those of their fellow citizens." -- The Federalist, No. 29
    - Alexander Hamilton


    Now, Mr. Dave says it is quite alright to have our government take our rights away and you also support the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which the majority of American citizens do not. Dave, who are you and who do you work for?
  9. brasscupcakes

    brasscupcakes LoanSafe Member

    I'll take mace and pepper spray. It's not all that hard to figure out which way to point it, and it's non-lethal. So I didn't take the police course you're supposed to take in order to use it on you -- after you try to mug me, go ahead and sue me. I don't really see the point of guns. I love firing ranges, belonged to the NRA as a kid along with my dad and my brother, but the literal odds really are that somebody who breaks in will use it against you before you're ever able to use it to defend yourself. During Bush, I was sure they were going to declare martial law and the US Army was going to be obliged to turn on us, due to changes in the law. But that didn't happen -- and if it had, it wouldn't be a society I'd want to fight for or live in. I'm not sure I want to live in it now. Not sure? Who am I kidding? I love my town, I loved growing up in America but now? Give me a Canadian passport and national health care, I'd belly-crawl through broken glass to get there. I've had my fill of emergency rooms and bank account liens. I don't want a handgun, and I don't want to have to shoot anybody with it in order to survive. That, to me, is the opposite of being free.
  10. Moe

    Moe Call 1-800-779-4547 Staff Member Loan Safe Mortgage

    That is until you come to a gun fight in your living room armed with pepper spray. It not about being free, but being able to protect yourself if the worst case scenario happens. It is like the health insurance you speak of, you never need until you need it.

    I've been robbed with a gun, so maybe that is why I feel the way I do about proper self defense for Americans.
  11. Garry

    Garry LoanSafe Member

    I'm from Detroit and I can tell you only a fool walks the streets with-out a pistol at night. Crooks have guns, so should we.
  12. christy4

    christy4 LoanSafe Member

    I'm a 54 yr old married woman. Growing up, my family had no need or desire to own guns. Of course at that time, there was no need to close and lock your doors at night either. We didn't have to lock our cars or have a need to keep our things under lock and key. The kids could walk or ride bikes anywhere or play in the neighborhood without our parents being afraid that we'd come up missing. We never heard of "Home Invasions."

    That was then.
    This is NOW.

    My father-in-law is a very passive person, but guess what he's been doing? He's been buying hand guns and rifles, even to the point of buying my mother-in-law her very own hand gun. Home invasions and burglaries are on the rise in our area and he's thinking that it's only a matter of time before the **** hits the fan. People are without jobs and losing their homes at record numbers, healthcare is unaffordable, food banks are overrun with people who need food. The bottom line is that people are becoming desperate to find a way to survive. And desperation makes people do things that they might not ordinarily do.

    Two days ago, there was a home invasion in our area where two men entered a home and held the parents and two children at gunpoint. That wouldn't happen at our house. First off, there are alarms on every door and window. Second, my husband has his handgun in his nightstand beside the bed. Third, I have MY handgun in my nightstand. If anyone would get in, they will be carried out.

    In my own opinion, we haven't seen anything yet. I believe it's coming, tho, and we won't be caught off guard. Yes, it's a shame that we've come to this point but it all comes down to survival. You can either sit back and become a victim or you can protect yourself and your family at all costs.
  13. Moe

    Moe Call 1-800-779-4547 Staff Member Loan Safe Mortgage

    Garry, the Detroit streets ain't no joke. So, I assume if I lived there, I would do the same. I grew up in Anaheim, Ca. and its not as bad as Detroit, but the same BS happens.

    Christy, your father in law is a very smart man. If and when the SHTF you all will be ready. If it does not, then you were at least prepared for the worst. I tend to side with your FIL and feel that we are on a downward slide to the greatest depression ever. I dont know how bad and how people will react, but I think robberies and crime will sky rocket.

    Maybe all the homeless and thieves will be housed in the FEMA camps? I guess the government has to prepare for the worst also, right?

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  14. darlyj

    darlyj LoanSafe Member

    I have several friends in different areas of law enforcement, from local PD to the federal level. The idea of comprehensive gun legislation honestly scares them. It is not the average law-abiding, responsible, gun-owning citizen that they are worried about. It is the criminals who already have firearms, and will unfortunately continue to do so, regardless of tighter restrictions or bans. The only thing that will accomplish, as Moe has discussed earlier, is much higher crime rates. Firearms are a deterrent.....most people I know stop and look when someone runs the bolt on an 870, and these are people very well versed in firearms. A criminal will not mistake that sound and what it means for their immediate future if they do not cease their actions. Plus, whether you choose to believe it or not, responsible hunting is how many people put food on the table for their families.

    Christy, I totally agree....I will NOT sit idly by and let my family become a statistic if I can do something about it.

    Garry....WELL PUT!
  15. davephx

    davephx LoanSafe Member

    In my view the penalties for an unregistered person with a weapon should be much more severe.

    The biggest problem as I understand it is buying at gun shows where background checks are not required.

    In addition it should be mandatory that anyone with a weapon take a weapons training/safety course just like you do for a drivers license. Of course all guns should be registered.

    For the criminals enforce gun laws more strictly with more serve penalties.

    Very rarely are crimes stopped by gun tooting non police citizens. More likely they are used in range to kill someone often known, commit suicide or accidentally kill an innocent child when mishandled or taken by children to shoot students at schools etc.

    Gun ownership should be responsible. Forget all the 1700s militia crap argument. We are not fighting Indians, we have an army for foreign invaders and trained police for local crimes.

    The militia/frontier ethos derives from an early American dependence on wits and skill to protect themselves from hostile Native Americans and, rarely, from foreign armies. Survival depended upon everyone being capable of carrying a weapon. In the Eighteenth Century, there was neither budget nor manpower nor government desire to maintain a full time army, believing they were a threat to the rights of the civilian populace. Therefore the armed citizen soldier carried the responsibility.

    Service in militia, including providing one’s own ammunition and weapons, was mandatory for all adult males. Yet, as early as the 1790s, the mandatory universal militia duty gave way to voluntary militia units and a reliance on a regular army, with a decline of the importance of militia trend continuing throughout the Nineteenth Century.
  16. Garry

    Garry LoanSafe Member

    I don't think you get it Dave, crooks are out robbing people knowing full well they're going to prison for a long time if they get caught, they will kill to stay out of prison. You can not keep guns out of the hands of crooks, they will have them no-matter what. Just like weed, crack, meth, and every other thing thats illegal for the rest of us now. P.S. I had a permit to carry a concealed in Detroit, so I had all the training your talking about. I don't carry now that I'm in AZ because I have no need.
  17. Garry

    Garry LoanSafe Member

    You talk about the cops that are there to protect us, in Detroit if there's a shoot-out the cops will not show up until the next day if ever. 911 is always busy, and the cops will not get out of their cars at night if they think there is a risk of getting shot. The crooks are running the streets, not the cops. Crack dealers are on every corner.
  18. davephx

    davephx LoanSafe Member

    So if you are going into a bad part of Detroit and want to carry a gun, why can't folks if required get the gun training like you did and have a legal registered gun.

    I am not against guns, especially for hunting, target practice and self defense, but should come with registration and training. Again more innocent people get killed by guns than bad guys.
  19. Garry

    Garry LoanSafe Member

    The good guys do Dave, it's the bad guys we have to worry about. These guys have fully automatic weapons and they're either on drugs or selling, they do not care about killing people, it's part of the game.
  20. davephx

    davephx LoanSafe Member

    OK, so good guys get properly registered guns and training which might help prevent the accidental or emotional killing.

    There is no solution for the bad guys other than stricker laws but at least gun laws could stop other non criminal killings.

    And maybe automatic weapons and certainly assault rifles should be banned or be more restricted. No, won't stop the bad guys other than maybe getting them longer prison sentances when convicted to keep them away from us good guys !

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