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Talking Countrywide SUCCESS, Sometimes you never know!!!!!

Hello. This is my first post, although I've been visiting the site frequently. It's a tremendous source of support. Ok, I will TRY to be as brief and succinct as possible, while also conveying the INSANITY of our Countrywide experience. In Jan. 2005 we signed our mortgage which was ultimately assigned to Countrywide. My husband spent that summer ill, lost time from work and in September'05 was hospitalized for a month due to chronic colon problems (for the 3 years prior to this he was in and out of hospitals, surgery, on disability, etc. for the same reason). He then had another surgery and was out on disability from Aug. '05 to Spring '06. As a result of the several years of illness and income loss, our finances were already in a bad state. At the time he was hospitalized for a month, Countrywide agreed to a forebearance and told us to contact them when he returned to work. We did so and they proposed an outrageous repayment plan (our monthly payment had originally been approx. $1,650 and they were now proposing nearly $3,000). As you can imagine, we had A LOT of damage done financially and we owed everybody everything while having to also feed and care for 2 children. We attempted to adhere to the repayment plan and it was KILLING us. We contacted them and reguarly tried to re-negotiate, work it out, etc. I took it upon myself at that time to write directly to Mr. Mozilo (sp). I laid it ALL out. We weren't in this position because of credit cards or reckless spending, the emotional and social impact it would have on our lives if we were to lose our home, how our home and neighborhood enables us to be a vital part of our community, etc. It was not B.S. it's all true!! I sent the letter via overnight mail. I was contacted by the office of the president. I have to say, the gentleman I was put in touch with was very courteous and quick to respond. However, his news was not usually good. We haggled and hashed and begged and pleaded (everytime I asked him to go back one more time he did). I went to work full time and in Sept. '07 my husband found a job which increased his salary. FINALLY in Oct. 2007 they approved a loan modification and we were issued a document providing for monthly payments of approximately $2,400, with the first payment due Dec. '07. We made that first payment with joy! The nightmare was over. WRONG!!!!!!! On December 31, 2007 we received a notice from Countrywide advising that our payment was deficient and that it should have been approx. $4,300. Any future payments sent had to be in that amount or they would be returned. HAPPY NEW YEAR! We immediately called and e-mailed our work out negotiator (Ms. McGowan). On 1/6/08 she advised via e-mail that we had to contact the escrow department because escrows had not been factored into the modification. THEN HOW CAN IT BE CONSIDERED A MODIFICATION AND A RESOLUTION IF IT'S INCOMPLETE? We called and emailed her a few more times asking for her assistance in resolving this "error" and she finally replied saying that "this is not a work out issue". Our reply was that it most certainly was because in no way could this loan be considered to be "worked out"!!!!!! Never heard from her again. In January and in February we still sent the $2,400 AND it was accepted. At the same time my husband was on the phone with them regularly trying to get this straightened out. Lots of phone calls, lots of rehashing the history of the loan lots of "hmmmm not sure why that happened" comments from customer service but no resolution. In February we received a notice of intent to Foreclosure and we immediately responded via fax, e-mail, certified and regular mail that we disputed and rejected that notice because of the handling of our loan. Many months of phone calls, e-mails, no response, etc. On 5/30/08 we wrote to them via fax, cert. & reg. mail demanding resolution of the loan modification approved Oct. '07. On Thurs. 6/6/08 my husband called and spoke w/ "Sam" who said we had to re-submit a hardship letter with proof of income to the workout depart. We did that on 6/9/08. However, in that hardship letter we said that, because we were submitting proof of income with the hardship letter it appeared that we were back at square one being "considered" for a modification and that was not acceptable. We referred to our many previous communications sent to that very fax #. Have heard nothing. EXCEPT..........on Mon. 7/7/08 we were served with a Foreclosure Complaint. AND the plaintiff is listed as Wells Fargo on behalf of Morgan Stanley ABS Capital 1. An assignment from Countrywide to this plaintiff was filed on 7/8/08. My husband called Countrywide on 7/8/08 to "follow-up" and didn't make mention of our being served. The customer service person said she saw record of his last conversation with "Sam" on 6/6/08 and our countless letters of communication but that for some reason, when "Sam" concluded the conversation he didn't complete the process and submit the information which is why workout hasn't responded. Our fax is backed up in the computer and wasn't release to their department (I have no clue what any of this means). She told my husband to call back Fri. 7/11. Obviously we will respond to the Complaint before our time to answer lapses (NJ allows 35 days from date of service). We're waiting to see what their comments are on Fri. 7/11 before deciding if we file on our own or come up w/ a retainer for an attorney.

The thing we hate most of us is being victimized by abuse, neglect, greed and sloppy inefficient representatives of the mortgage co. These people have total control over our lives. Someone who fails to press enter on their computer affects whether we can sleep peacefully or try to get to sleep in a haze of worry and stress. Like it isn't stressful enough trying to cope with a medical crisis in the family and looking into the eyes of your children feeling enormous guilt because they have so clue just how shaky the security of the only home they've ever known is (we originally bought in 1996).

Is there any advice you can offer? Also, has anyone had any communication with (name removed) They came up on one of our searches for help and information and they sent us information that they can stop the foreclosure process and negotiate a modification for us. That's the other thing, there are so many people out there looking to further victimize people in the boat we're in with scams.

Any guidance would be most appreciated! Thank you!!!


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Welcome to our forum downbutnotout:

I am so sorry you are going through this. Please do not hire an internet company to "stop your foreclosure". Please hang in there, one of our moderators will be by shortly to provide with some sound advice/suggestions for FREE. Our forum is about people helping people, we have all been there dun that. We are here for you.
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Thank you!!!! I'm so grateful I found this site!
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Re: Help Chaos From Countrywide!

Downbutnotout,

Hang in there. All of us are going through similar situations. I've have learned that you must stay on top of them. Your right, you can't trust country wide representatives, especially when its your home. If I remember right, there should be direct phone numbers on this site or on a thread. Maybe another member knows the thread.


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Re: Help Chaos From Countrywide!

Thank you for your encouragement - just when I feel like I want to curl up and give up, viewing this site always gives me strength and encouragement to fight to the END!
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Hi downbutnotout,

Welcome to the forum and thank you for joining..........


Were you able to hear anything today July 11th from the phone conversation with Countrywide Home Loans?
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Re: Help Chaos From Countrywide!

Hi ***, thanks for following up. My husband tried through-out the day while at work and was put on hold constantly. Unfortunately being at work he couldn't just stay put and wait. I was out all day myself with child related commitments so I wasn't in a place where I could just sit and wait either. We shall try again.

I appreciate your follow up and your guidance.
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No problem..............

Since you are at a stand still it wouldn't hurt to take this one additional step...........
Put your hardship letter and the runaround that you have been receiving into the body of an email along with your loan number and contact info and send it to each of the emails below...........you should receive a response by next week and you will be in a dept. that is in the position to at least take another look at what you have been up against.............

Hope this helps.......
Please keep us updated..........
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DONE. Thank you - I'll let you know if I heard anything!
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I mean "HEAR" anything!
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Re: Help Chaos From Countrywide!

Hi ***,

Just wanted to update you. We've been advised over the phone and via a letter dated 7/8/08 that our "correspondence" has been sent to the Hope/Home Retention Department and that someone will contact us shortly. The correspondence they're referring to is our last communication sent cert. & regular mail on 7/3/08 which was a follow-up to our 6/10/08 hardship letter and prior to our being served w/ the Complaint. To date, I've not had one reply to the e-mail hardship letter I sent on 7/12/08 to the various e-mail addresses you provided. So, here we are perpetually sitting while interest penalties and fees accrue. As I said before, we will file an Answer to the Complaint but otherwise we continue to make no progress.
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Since BOA took over CW the Home Retention Dept. is doing the mods........

Here is their number so you can see if you can get assigned someone to work on your modification.........

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Re: Help Chaos From Countrywide!

Morning ***,

We're advised that no one has been assigned to our file yet and that we'll have to wait to be contacted by whomever that will be. We plan to follow-up with a phone call tomorrow to see if there's been any further progress in that area.

QUESTION. Is there any benefit (or harm) to our filing a formal complaint against Countrywide with the Office of Thrift Supervisor (Dept. of the Treasury). Is it just a more formal record of "another unhappy customer" or is some action taken by that office to assist the party filing the complaint? Any info you have on this would be helpful.

Thanks again.
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It doesn't hurt to do that...............but they don't assist with the mod process...........
I filed a complaint with the OCC that oversees Chase and nothing really came of it...............almost like a slap on the wrist............
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hmmm....may just have to keep that one in our back pocket for now then if nothing is really going to come out of it. As always, thanks for your prompt reply (do you ever SLEEP?)
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Re: Help Chaos From Countrywide!

Hi ***,

Nothing new to report except that my husband will be resuming his persistent calling to the HOPE team today. You gave us a # for Home Retention. How are these departments different?

Also, in browsing the site this morning I saw some posts regarding NACA. What/who are they? Are they someone I should contact?

As always, thanks for your guidance.
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NACA is a non profit... NACA
since you are dealing directly with Countrywide at this point you wouldn't have to contact NACA.

I think the HOPE team is out of the office of the president.........so you are in good hands............just keep at the calling...............it will happen.......
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Hi ***,

Well, we did get a call from the office of the president yesterday FINALLY. My husband spoke with someone who advised that they would spread the arrearages out over 60 months (5 yrs) and that our payment would be $3250 approx. a month. That's steep for our income AND it's not a modification. Our whole argument has been that we were approved for a loan modification but that they neglected to add in insurance and taxes and then when they did so (using a repayment plan rather than factoring it into the modification) they were looking for $4,200 a month. The person asked that we fax paystubs and bank statements which we did this morning. In the transmital we reiterated that what they're proposing is NOT a modification and we were already approved for one. According to my husband she represented that she would make the appropriate calls to stop the foreclosure but I wouldn't rely on that statement for a second. Our answer will still go out as planned.

And so........we wait. Any thoughts?

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Wendy.............unfortunately you are at there mercy...........
What is your interest rate at?
When is it adjusting?

these could be key factors as to why they won't do the modification.......also when you put together the household income versus the household expenses are you able to show a surplus of $100-$250 left at the end of the month........
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Morning *** -
As ignorant as it may sound, I don't know what interest rate their records currently show us at. When they issued the modification to us in Oct. '07, it was 10.85% FIXED (it was due to adjust in Jan.'08). Yes, we show a surplus of at least that amount - not much more, but at least that amount.
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Right now it is going to be a negotiation..............you would need to ask them if they can put some or all of that arrearage back into the principle balance of the loan...........tell them that the payment is too high for you to handle and you want to keep your home...........but ask for a solution of capitalizing the arrearage and see what they say............
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Re: Help Chaos From Countrywide!

When transmitting the documents they requested, we added a cover letter stating that we had previously been approved for, and were continuing to request the finalization of the arrearages being added to the principal. What do you mean when you "ask for a solution of capitalizing the arrearage" - is that the same as adding it to the principal? (This is all new terminology to me!)

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Yes that is the same thing.................
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Hi ***,
We are still in the limbo phase, but our wheels are always spinning. I'm wondering if you can provided any assistance on a couple of questions:

As I posted previously, we were served w/ a Complaint for Foreclosure and are in the process of preparing our answer for filing at the end of the week. I'm wondering if you or anyone can provide some Affirmative Defenses for us to include in a foreclosure Answer? I have a list of the standard type defenses in any litigation, but I'd like to know which are particularly helpful to a foreclosure defense.

Also, I'm trying to understand my "enemy" and process the psycology of this nightmare we're navigating. Why would the lender/invester be inclined to propose unreasonable modifications/re-payment plans, knowing that the amounts they propose are oppressive?? Why would they want to encourage yet another home being added to the foreclosure pile, particularly in this climate? As I ran around this weekend tending to my usual errands there are SOOO many homes for sale, some of which have been on the market for over a year. Add to that the lists I've seen for homes in foreclosure in my town and in my county. Why would they want to risk having another property sitting in this climate? Why wouldn't they want to make reasonable efforts to work out a modification and get the payments coming in on a regular basis? As always, your comments are most appreciated.
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