Old 02-17-2009, 11:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Short sale and buy house question

HI everyone!
Here is my situation: We are 6 months behind and are in foreclosure, but its on hold because we are awaiting the loan modification acceptance. Long story short we modified with Citimortgage and are now on their new payment plan, but Indymac(primary loan) rejected our modification today and stated that we make sufficient amount of money. They are going to put us on the repayment plan on the meantime.

Im definitely going to short sale this house. I also would like to purchase a house soon as well, because the price is more affordable than before.

Here are my questions:
1. We know if we short-sale first then we would have to wait 2-3 years before buying another home. What if my wife co signs with my father in law which has excellent credit, would they qualify for a home? This is considering all the income to debt ration are met and etc. My main conern is my wife credit score is not to great now.
2. If we short sale first, can my wife still co-sign with my father in law and qualify?
3. This waiting period before buying another home...is this the law or is this the banks regulations?


The only reason why I want my wife to be part of title of the house is so we can claim tax write off on interests. Its pointless to own a home and cannot use it as a tax write off.

So overall, my goal is to buy another house, and short sale my current house within a few months. Please give us some advice on what is the best way to go about with this....Thank you.


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Wait the two years after the short sale...............also note that if the property forecloses instead the wait will be longer.............

If you short sale or foreclose on a property and buy a new one right after or even before that happens................you will be committing what is called material misrepresentation on the new application which is considered a form of mortgage fraud that the FBI has been looking into............because you would be imploring a new lender to give you a loan based on information that you supply suggesting that you are keeping the first property and everything is o.k.......... while knowing that you are about to foreclose on it.



If considering buying again after a foreclosure/deed in lieu/ or short sale..................

These are the guidelines per FannieMae/ FreddieMac for buying again and the timeframe needed to wait after, foreclosure, deed in lieu, and short sale on conventional loans revised specifically for the market conditions the way they are.


Fannie Mae/ Freddie Mac two private US-based mortgage buyer powerhouses, have set new guidelines to protect business interests and to further safeguard its buyers from foreclosure. The fresh set of policies will affect borrowers who have loan applications submitted after August 1, 2008.

What factors affect the waiting period?

A waiting period is the time from the completion of the foreclosure until the time when buyer decides to purchase a new home. Under the new rules, the length of waiting before one is approved for a conventional loan would depend on two factors – the kind of foreclosure and the extenuating circumstances.

Waiting Period under the Different Kinds of Foreclosure
Given these new considerations, the length of time before one can buy a home depends on the kind of foreclosure:

Foreclosure – 5 -7 years
Foreclosure which has extenuating circumstances – 3-7 years
Deed-in-lieu of foreclosure – 4-7 years
Deed-in-lieu of foreclosure with extenuating circumstances – 2-7 years
Short sale – 2 years

Extenuating Circumstances
Factors beyond a person’s control are called documented extenuating circumstances. Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac lessens the waiting period if a borrower is affected by the following uncontrollable factors:

Death (not the borrower’s)
Job transfer
Sickness
Accidents which result to severe injury

Additional Guidelines:

Fannie Mae/ Freddie Mac, also have additional guidelines for its buyers. Borrowers should look towards buying a primary place of residence. This means that rental or vacation houses are not considered.

Aside from this waiting period, the following may also required by Fannie Mae/ Freddie Mac for some loans:

a FICO score in the required minimum
a 10% down payment



FHA loan guidelines are a little more lenient than conventional guidelines

Foreclosure/Short Sale 3 years after foreclosure has been completed
Chapter 7 Bankruptcy 2 years after charge off
Chapter 13 Bankruptcy 1 year (everything must be paid off)



Veteran Administration (VA) loans typically take up to two years after a foreclosure, short sale or bankruptcy. The borrower(s) must provide proof that there is no outstanding debt. Credit must be re-established along with an explanation letter and full VA entitlement.



Some lenders will not allow a mortgage within 7 years if you are applying with the same lender that the foreclosure or short sale occurred through. They probably have a bad taste in their mouth from the previous mortgage
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Re: Short sale and buy house question

Thank you *** for the quick respond.

What if I have my relatives buy the home, then later on add me into the title...how does this process work? Will this break the 2 year rule? If this is plausible, then what is the waiting period until a person can be added into the title?
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If your relatives are not on title to your home and they qualify to buy another home in addition to one they own if that is the case and it is an entirely new property aside from the one that you are in now............that is fine...................

As far as adding you to title............unless you want the new home to have the potential of having a lien placed on it for any deficiency left after the sale of the home you are in..........you may want to leave your name off the title until you have negotiated this.
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Understood. Thank you so much ***.
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Re: Short sale and buy house question

I am surprised to see that you can buy 2-3 years after a short sale.. Is that the most current info? I've been calling around and reading everything I can find and I've found a million different answers to that question, but the actual loan officers I've talked to have said 3-5 years after a short sale. I'm so confused..
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I am surprised to see that you can buy 2-3 years after a short sale.. Is that the most current info? I've been calling around and reading everything I can find and I've found a million different answers to that question, but the actual loan officers I've talked to have said 3-5 years after a short sale. I'm so confused..
Hi there, yes it's 24 months or 2 years. You can find more information about it under Short Sale Outpost where *** and Moe did their very best to give all the information needed regarding Short Sale.

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I also found out from a real estate firm that you can also request the bank to give you 1 year instead of two years. Anyone can confirm with me?
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Thats a good idea. Did I read it correctly? It is possible for a relative to submit a short sale offer. Does the relative have to have a different last name? Can they be in another state? I wonder how low they can put their offer compared to the asking price.
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We are talking about a totally different property..............not the one that you live in...............a related party can not buy your house for a short sale............that would be considered fraud.

A relative can buy a new property if they qualify, for you to rent back from them.
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oh thanks. i misunderstood.
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Hi there,

I heard someone is buying a bigger house, and already in escrow, but she is going to short sale her current house at the same time. I found this is impossible. Her loan with the new house is FHA. It is already approved and in Escrow now. I wonder how FHA loan will allow someone to go shortsale on the current mortgage and approve the mortgage for the new purchase at the same time. I am thinking someone including the broker (mortgage broker) must be hiding the information.

***, do you think this is something that we can practice in this market, shortsale current underwater house, and buying a cheaper short sale house in a different neighborhood? Is this considered a fraud?
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We have had this discussion on many, many occasions here on the forum about buying and bailing.........the benefits do not seem to outweigh the risk one takes (which is just my 2 cents on the matter, and about all I will say regarding it) it is a personal decision for each individual to make based on their own situation.....

here is the scoop from the FBI's standpoint, followed by the new guidelines for purchase loans...............

Buying another property while knowing that you are going to bail on your current property is considered material misrepresentation..........and a form of mortgage fraud.

Mortgage fraud happens when a borrower withholds information, such as a deliberate intent to stop making payments to another creditor, or falsifies information, either of which would cause the new lender to reject the loan if the lender knew about it.

It's also considered fraud to lie on a loan application and produce false documents to the lender. The FBI defines mortgage fraud as "any material misstatement, misrepresentation or omission relied upon by an underwriter or lender to fund, purchase or insure a loan."

Fraud for housing represents illegal actions perpetrated solely by the borrower. The simple motive behind this fraud is to acquire and maintain ownership of a house under false pretenses.

Of course not everyone is caught...........but if the new application is flagged by an SAR (Suspicious Activities Report) by the FBI, then that could create a bigger problem............then just renting until you are able to buy again........or having another party buy the new property for you and rent it back to you to purchase later when you are able to.

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel...audwarning.pdf


If considering buying again after a foreclosure/deed in lieu/ or short sale..................


These are the guidelines per FannieMae/ FreddieMac for buying again and the timeframe needed to wait after, foreclosure, deed in lieu, and short sale on conventional loans revised specifically for the market conditions the way they are.


Fannie Mae/ Freddie Mac two private US-based mortgage buyer powerhouses, have set new guidelines to protect business interests and to further safeguard its buyers from foreclosure. The fresh set of policies will affect borrowers who have loan applications submitted after August 1, 2008.

What factors affect the waiting period?

A waiting period is the time from the completion of the foreclosure until the time when buyer decides to purchase a new home. Under the new rules, the length of waiting before one is approved for a conventional loan would depend on two factors – the kind of foreclosure and the extenuating circumstances.

Waiting Period under the Different Kinds of Foreclosure:

Given these new considerations, the length of time before one can buy a home depends on the kind of foreclosure:

Foreclosure – 5 -7 years
Foreclosure which has extenuating circumstances – 3-7 years
Deed-in-lieu of foreclosure – 4-7 years
Deed-in-lieu of foreclosure with extenuating circumstances – 2-7 years
Short sale – 2 years

Extenuating Circumstances
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Death (not the borrower’s)
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Additional Guidelines:

Fannie Mae/ Freddie Mac, also have additional guidelines for its buyers. Borrowers should look towards buying a primary place of residence. This means that rental or vacation houses are not considered.

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a FICO score in the required minimum
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FHA loan guidelines are a little more lenient than conventional guidelines

Foreclosure/Short Sale 3 years after foreclosure has been completed
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Some lenders will not allow a mortgage within 7 years if you are applying with the same lender that the foreclosure or short sale occurred through. They probably have a bad taste in their mouth from the previous mortgage.
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Re: Short sale and buy house question

Hi ***,
What if someone else not related, but the same last name (like Smith) buy the current property and rent it back to me?

one more question:
I am 2 months behind and I am planning to request CW for a short sale. I will get an experienced agent who specialize in short sale to list the house and to work with the lender.
Do I have to continue paying the mortgage while on short sale?

I don't really care if I am being reported as late payments and/or short sale. I can build up credit and buy again after two years.
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