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Short Sale AZ

Property located in AZ 1. loan Purchase money HELOC non purchase. I am just one step
of completing my short sale (after couple months fighting). I have unusual situation:
HELOC take double money for realizing me off (waived right for deficiency) , but 1.st don’t have noting that says they will not go behind me .for remaining balance.
Can they file judgment after me post short sale or should I fight to the end. Closing is next week. thanks


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Old 08-21-2009, 10:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Property located in AZ 1. loan Purchase money HELOC non purchase. I am just one step
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of completing my short sale (after couple months fighting). I have unusual situation:
HELOC take double money for realizing me off (waived right for deficiency) , but 1.st don’t have noting that says they will not go behind me .for remaining balance.
Can they file judgment after me post short sale or should I fight to the end. Closing is next week. thanks
Hello and welcome to this forum,
Even though Arizona is listed as one of the state that has anti deficiency judgment laws,see link http://www.loansafe.org/forum/foreclosure-laws/4130-recourse-v-non-recourse-states.html , I think you should ask your lender's negotiator to put in writing that they will not pursue any deficiency judgment against you, tell them that is the only reason why you will be signing the escrow papers if they give you a letter stating no deficiency judgment will be pursued against you. The negotiation for that letter is now, before signing the escrow not later. Be persuasive, persistent and bold at the same time when negotiating Short Sale..

Please read the link below regarding Short Sale Outposts in this forum, there’s lot information in it that can really help you. http://www.loansafe.org/forum/short-sale-outpost/


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tihanks, Faith. I will fight. Is it posible for first to sue for defic.
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Hello again,
In Arizona, there are two types of “notes” given for real property: a “Deed of Trust” or a “Mortgage”. Despite the common parlance of the term “mortgage,” most people in most states do not actually have Mortgages. They have Deeds of Trust. A Deed of Trust has three parties to the agreement, and an actual Mortgage has only two. Actual mortgages are very uncommon in most states.


Now, the remedy of a lender for a home in default depends on what type of note was used to secure the property. If there is a true mortgage in place, the lender must sue in civil court in a process known as “judicial foreclosure.”
Important points.
1.) The legal fees associated with a judicial foreclosure action are substantial.
2.) A judicial foreclosure takes more time than “the other method” .
3.) A lender may sue for a deficiency judgment with a judicial foreclosure, but only in the case of non-purchase money loans. (A “purchase money loan” is one that is applied to the purchase of real property. A “non-purchase money” loan is money you pulled out of your home to buy “stuff”.


If you got a line of credit, and spent all the money on a new boat, fancy clothes, and a new haircut, the lender can indeed sue you for that money. HOWEVER, they will have to use the process of judicial foreclosure to do it, which is a lengthy and costly process. It’s too expensive for the lender, with very little likelihood of getting money back from someone who is “insolvent” to begin with.

If the note used to secure the property is the much more common Deed of Trust, the property will most likely be subject to a “Trustees Sale,” in which a notice is posted that the property will be sold to the highest bidder on the courthouse steps. If this happens, there is no recourse for a lender to “come after” the homeowner for money. Now, a lender, who is party to a Deed of Trust, may also use the process of judicial foreclosure to take your house away. Any yes, this does give them the right to attempt to get a deficiency judgment against the borrower. Does this happen often? No. Why? For the reasons mentioned above: it’s expensive, and time consuming.


Another option for a lender is to “forego” their interest in the home, and sue the borrower directly for the money owed to them. All of it. Lenders very rarely do this however, for the reasons stated above: it is expensive and time consuming; more importantly, if a borrower is going into foreclosure, there is a pretty good likelihood that the borrower has no money to “go after.” Also, in the landmark case of Baker v Gardner heard before the Arizona Supreme Court in 1988, the justices hold forth in the Holding & Conclusion that “. . .the legislature’s objective in enacting [its anti-deficiency statutes] was to abolish the personal liability of those who give trust deeds encumbering properties of two and one-half acres or less and used for single-family or two-family dwellings. . . The holder of the note and security device may not, by waiving the security and bringing an action on the note, hold the maker liable for the entire unpaid balance.”


So, can you be sued for a deficiency on your mortgage? If it's a purchase money mortgage never refinanced it's covered under anti deficiency judgment law. Maybe a good, honest, reliable and truthful Real Estate Lawyer can answer this question.

The links below may be able to answer your questions. This is not a legal advice but for your information only.
http://www.dianedrain.com/RealProperty/GeneralRealProperty/REALESTATEArticlesLinks/SueOrForeclose/SueorForeclose.htm

http://www.deconcinimcdonald.com/August2007.html
Source: A. Butler, Ask the Broker, Real Estate

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Re: Short Sale AZ

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You trully epitomize your God given name. Although, you have never commented on one of my postings, I have read a dozen or more of your comments to other positngs. Just wanted to say how uplifting your comments always are on this forum. Unlike others who seek to tear down, you always try to build up and you are never belittling or condescending to anyone. Really nice to have someone like you on this forum. We need a thousand Faiths.
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You trully epitomize your God given name. Although, you have never commented on one of my postings, I have read a dozen or more of your comments to other positngs. Just wanted to say how uplifting your comments always are on this forum. Unlike others who seek to tear down, you always try to build up and you are never belittling or condescending to anyone. Really nice to have someone like you on this forum. We need a thousand Faiths.
Hi Maxie, I am Faith,
It's nice to hear from you and thank you for being so nice too.
Thank God for this forum and especially Moe that we all can encourage one another. Actually I was encouraged by your comment and it's you who encouraged me. We have some family issues today, just got home from LA and thank God it was solved. I am sorry if I missed making comments to your other postings. I probably saw that it was already resolved.

Thank you and May God bless you and family always.
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