Old 12-19-2007, 12:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs down Overstated Income!

Okay, I've been reviewing my loan documents and I think I've found a problem. It looks like my income on my loan application is overstated by appx 150%. I didn't catch this during the signing and I have blank copies of my docs but see there is a signature block which waives my rights to any inaccuracies. There is also a block marked which states the form was filled out telephonically, but I provided all my financials when applying. This may work against me I think.


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Re: Overstated income

Yes, this may work against you and is very common. You now contributed to the fraud by signing a fraudulent document and it will be their word against yours.

This happen all the time because the loan signing is going by so fast and they just push these documents in front of you.

Can you prove you sent in your financial and maybe that you would have qualified with just your financial? They must have over stated your income so your debt to income ratios come in.
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Old 12-19-2007, 06:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Overstated income

I wouldn’t worry about it to much. As long as you didn’t knowingly and voluntarily lie about your income it is a very tough road for the lender to climb. The broker was the agent of the bank, he was responsible to review the documents and accurately transcribe what you told him on the application.

I have bone a “few” loan modifications and God knows I have spoke to enough reps to believe that the reps do not have the loan apps in there possession or access to the information. Never has a rep said “wait a second, on your loan application your client said they made $_________, but not on the financial worksheet they only make $_________”. I know that as much abuse as I have dished out to those reps (I’m only human, I know I should be nice and kind to them, but I can only be hung up on so many times) that they would have blasted me if they had something to blast me with.

Who filled out your original loan application?
Where did you close your loan? Was it with one of those remote closing companies?
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Re: Overstated income

Here is some lite reading;

Fraud is defined as a "knowing misrepresentation of the truth or concealment of a material fact to induce another to act to his or her detriment." Black's Law Dictionary 685 (8th ed. 2005). While fraud is usually a tort, and therefore a civil cause of action, when the conduct is willful, there may be criminal prosecution. Id. Mortgage fraud, therefore, while it has no official definition in Black's, can be defined as committing some sort fraudulent activity in conjunction with the mortgage process

Mortgage Fraud Prosecuted Under 18 U.S.C. § 1014 (2005) (False Statements on Loan Applications)
18 U.S.C. § 1014 (2005).
The Crime
Under section 1014, it is a crime for a person to

knowingly make any false statement or report, or
willfully overvalue any land, property or security,
for the purpose of influencing in any way the action of the
Farm Credit Administration,
Federal Crop Insurance Corporation or a company the Corporation reinsures,
the Secretary of Agriculture acting through the Farmers Home Administration or successor agency,
the Rural Development Administration or successor agency,
any Farm Credit Bank, production credit association, agricultural credit association, bank for cooperatives, or any division, officer, or employee thereof, or
of any regional agricultural credit corporation established pursuant to law, or
a Federal land bank, a Federal land bank association,
a Federal Reserve bank,
a small business investment company, as defined in section 103 of the Small Business Investment Act of 1958 (15 U.S.C. 662), or
the Small Business Administration in connection with any provision of that Act,
a Federal credit union,
an insured State-chartered credit union,
any institution the accounts of which are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation,
the Office of Thrift Supervision,
any Federal home loan bank,
the Federal Housing Finance Board,
the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation,
the Resolution Trust Corporation,
the Farm Credit System Insurance Corporation, or
the National Credit Union Administration Board,
a branch or agency of a foreign bank (as such terms are defined in paragraphs (1) and (3) of section 1(b) of the International Banking Act of 1978 [12 USCS § 3101(1) and (3)]), or
an organization operating under section 25 or section 25(a) of the Federal Reserve Act,
upon any application, advance, discount, purchase, purchase agreement, repurchase agreement, commitment, or loan, or any change or extension of any of the same, by renewal, deferment of action or otherwise, or the acceptance, release, or substitution of security therefor.
The Punishment
The punishment for a violation of section 1014 is

a fine of not more than $ 1,000,000, imprisonment not more than 30 years, both.
Case Law Interpreting Section 1014
United States v. Dominguez, 226 F.3d 1235 (11th Cir. 2000).
In Dominguez, the defendant was charged and convicted on multiple accounts involving participation in a cocaine distribution organization and mortgage fraud. Dominguez at 1236. The appeal centered around the defendant's assertion that the drug-related charges and the mortgage fraud-related charges were improperly joined in the district court. Id. The court ultimately rejected the defendant's argument because "[c]oncealing money from the drug activity was the motive for the mortgage fraud." Id. at 1242. The court relied on the government's closing argument, which centered around the defendant making false statements on a loan application, which brings it under section 1014. Id. at n.9.

The evidence on those [false statement] counts shows that he made false statements to these banks in an effort to influence the banks to give [him] loans. … This is the 1990 return. Here is the 1989 return that he submitted to the banks. … And you heard testimony that these are forgeries. The IRS has never seen them. … It is very simple why he does this. If he goes into this bank showing the kind of money he has made from cocaine trafficking, four years out of law school, worth $3 and a half million, you show that kind of money and those kind of assets that he has got, with his true legitimate income of 20 grand or 30 grand, he is in trouble. … He creates plausible tax returns … that will pass the laugh test. You look at them, you go, oh, okay, he makes 75 or 85, okay. That's, you know, that makes sense with this income. And that is really the problem with cocaine, folks. You make so much money that it is impossible to justify what you have. … This is proof beyond any reasonable doubt that he committed these mortgage frauds. Id.
Dominguez, then, shows that in some cases, the false statements on loan applications, which typically show inflated assets, see United States v. Nguyen, 1999 U.S. App. LEXIS 170 (9th Cir. 1999) immediately below, can sometimes involve making the assets appear smaller than they really are.

United States v. Nguyen, 1999 U.S. App. LEXIS 170 (9th Cir. 1999).
In Nguyen, the defendants were charged and convicted with mail fraud and making false statements to a federally insured financial institution in connection with a loan application, in violation of section 1014. Nguyen at 3. The defendants wanted to purchase a more expensive house than they already owned, but they wanted to sell their old house first. Id. at *5. So they convinced some friends to allow the defendants to use the friends' names on a loan application for the supposed purchase of the defendants' first house. Id. The defendants then submitted a residential loan application to a mortgage company for the purchase of the first house. Id. The defendants' made a number of misrepresentations in the application: "they created a fictitious position and salary for [one of the friends,] inflated [the other friend's] salary, and submitted numerous false documents in support of the application," such as "false W-2 statements, credit reports, tax returns and a forged Request for Verification of Employment." Id. at *5-*6. One of the defendants worked as a loan processor for a mortgage company owned by the other defendant, and she prepared the loan application using a fictitious name. Id. at *5 n.2. A mortgage company loaned $265,000 to the defendants' friends, who subsequently quitclaimed their interest in the residence to the defendant's brother; a few years later, a new mortgage company foreclosed on the property, recovering their investment. Id. at *6 & n.4. After the sale of the defendants' first property, the defendants sought to purchase a new $930,000 residence. The purported buyers of the residence were listed as one of the defendants, the other defendant's sister, and that person's brother, all as joint tenants. Id at *7. This defendant submitted a second loan application, again under the fictitious name, to the mortgage company, falsely representing the defendant's marital status, her employer and her monthly income; it also inflated the other defendant's sister's and brother-in-law's monthly incomes and included false credit reports verifying the entries. Id. Relying on the misrepresentations, the mortgage company loaned $600,000 to the three "joint tenants." Id.

United States v. Fraza, 106 F.3d 1050 (1st Cir. 1997).
In Fraza, the defendants, a father and a son, were convicted on various counts of fraud, including one under section 1014. Fraza at 1052. On appeal, the defendants claimed that being charged for both "knowingly making false statements to a federally insured lending institution, 18 U.S.C. § 1014, and ...bank fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1344, are multiplicitous, thereby violating the Double Jeopardy Clause of the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution." Id. at 1053.

One of the defendants, the father, offered to purchase some land in Rhode Island from a seller at the agreed upon price of $120,000. Id. at 1052. The seller would maintain a $60,000 mortgage on the land. Id. The father signed a Purchase and Sale agreement, and gave the seller a $2,000 deposit check, but additional financing was required. Id. The father met with officers of a credit union, and during this meeting, he told the officers that the purchase price of the property was $205,000, and that he was seeking to finance $160,000. Id. However, due to his prior bankruptcy, the credit union would not grant him the loan, to which the father suggested that his son purchase the property and take the loan. Id. The officers agreed to consider the request but stated that the son might require a co-signer. Id. Later that year, the father and the seller attended an informal "closing" in the back seat of the car owned by an attorney whose firm had represented the credit union for over twenty years. Id. The father signed two closing statements, one reflecting the $120,000 purchase price and the other remaining blank, which the attorney claimed he needed to make a correction to a tax computation. Id. Simultaneously, the seller endorsed a deed conveying the property to the son's construction company, and at that "closing" no money or financial instruments changed hands. Eventually, the father found a co-signer and the credit union approved a $160,000 loan based on the inflated purchase price of $205,000; the credit union's appraisal of the fair market value of the property came in at $225,000.

The formal closing was held a month-and-a-half later, involving the father, his son, the son's co-signer, a credit union loan officer and the attorney who was acting as the credit union's attorney. Id. The attorney explained that the seller was unavailable and produced the blank closing form, which he then filled out with the purchase price being listed at $205,000. Id. After the son signed, the loan officer disbursed $160,000 to the attorney who then paid the closing costs, the existing $58,740 mortgage on the property and gave the remaining approximately $95,000 to the son, who in turn paid the attorney $5,000 for his work. Id. Shortly thereafter, the seller, who was not informed that the credit union held a $160,000 first mortgage on the property, received the son's signed promissory note and mortgage in the amount of $60,000 in the mail. Id.

Six months later, the son filed for bankruptcy, and as part of the bankruptcy proceedings, both the father and his son, represented by the attorney, gave deposition testimony that they gave the credit union an inflated price for the seller's property. Id. Roughly the same time, the attorney's firm mailed the seller a tax form indicating that the seller had received $205,000 from the son for the property; reacting to complaints from the seller, a corrected tax form was sent to the seller, but along with it, the seller received a copy of the closing statement stating the purchase price as $205,000. Id. Also at the same time, the loan to the son became delinquent and the credit union discovered that the actual purchase price of the property was $120,000 instead of $205,000, and discovered the existence of two different closing statements. Id. Desiring to keep the credit union as a client, the attorney arranged for its pension fund to pay the credit union $160,000 and to take over the mortgage. Id. Three years later, the father, the son, and the attorney, who died prior to trial, were indicted on several charges. Id. As noted above the father and son were convicted of the charges.

As noted above, the defendants challenged the sections 1014 and 1344 charges on multiplicity grounds, but the court determined that the Blockburger test was satisfied: "Section 1014 contains an element not contained in § 1344, that is, proof that the statements were 'materially false.' Likewise, § 1344 encompasses a 'scheme or artifice to defraud,' which is not an element of § 1014." Id. at 1053. The defendants pointed to United States v. Seda, 978 F.2d 779, 781 (2d Cir. 1992) which held that "§§ 1014 and 1344, when arising from the same offense, are multiplicitous." Fraza at 1054. The court disagreed because Seda relied on a different case than Blockburger, which the court felt did not really apply in this situation. The court affirmed the convictions, apparently agreeing that the defendants' acts constituted mortgage fraud.
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Old 12-20-2007, 12:21 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Overstated income

The loan application states that it was filled out via a gentlemen who took the information from me over the telephone. My broker was a woman though, so I'm not even sure who this individual was but apparently I spoke with him at some point in the process I presume. This was a refi, labeled as a cash out refi as had to pay a prepayment penalty to refinance. There was a YSP paid on the loan to the broker for about 15 grand but it was a lender paid closing cost loan. All of the loan documents came through the mail and had a stickie on the parts where I was to initial or sign. They sent a notary to the house for the documents that needed notarization.
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:10 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Overstated income

How much were the closing costs? What was the total paid to the broker from all sources?

You may have a RESPA violation case if the broker was paid beyond the "reasonable value" of his services.
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Old 12-20-2007, 01:57 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Overstated income

Okay....I was just reviewing our loans documents and find that my husband's income was overstated by a significant amount. He's a salaried employee and his monthly gross income for the past 2 years has been $5300.00, give or take $10.00. On the monthly income statement the broker stated my husband's monthly gross income at $6802.92!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that were true we would not be in the mess we're in!! Of course, at the time we closed we had 3-year-old twins in the room with us and this was just one page in a stack of papers flying through our hands that we initialled. We would NEVER have acknowledged that as being true....BECAUSE IT'S NOT!!!! My husband's child support obligation is also listed on the documents at a lower amount than he pays so that looks as if we have less money going out.

In addition, I note that our broker received origination points at 3.3705% totalling $4685.00 plus a broker fee paid by the lender of $695.00 plus a "processing fee" of $895.00. The total take for the broker was $6275.00 on a $139,000.00 loan. I may barf !!!!!!

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Re: Overstated income

Oh....and there is nothing listed for my income which really was not substantial at the time. But....I know we provided our income information to the broker because I am an independent contractor and I took copies of my invoices and copies of the checks I received as payment for services and my husband took his paystubs as proof of income.

Funny thing.....5 days after we closed I had a question to ask our broker and when I called their office I was told he was no longer employed there. And now, the office is CLOSED.....OUT OF BUSINESS!!!

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Re: Overstated income

you need to send a letter saying

________________________________________/

BORROWER DEMAND FOR DISCLOSURES REQUIRED
BY THE REAL ESTATE SETTLEMENT PROCEDURES ACT

Borrower, (“BORROWER”), by and through undersigned counsel, hereby demand proof of: (a) disclosure of the HUD special information booklet, Good Faith Estimate and Servicing Disclosure which were to be provided to BORROWER at or within three (3) days of the loan application; (b) all escrow disclosure statements prepared from the date of loan application to the date of this request; (c) all notices regarding servicing transfers; and/or assignments or sales of the loan; (d) a breakdown of the fees charged at closing for “document preparation”; (e) receipts for and payment history for all payments made since the origination of the loan; and (f) all other disclosures required by Section 6 of the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act (“RESPA”) which is codified at 12 U.S.C. 2605. Failure to provide the disclosures within 60 days of this written demand for them gives rise to a civil action in favor of the mortgagor against the mortgagee. The mortgagor will seek any and all remedies available against the mortgagee in this case for failure to provide the required disclosures in the time provided for by law, including attorney’s fees and costs of litigation.

GOVERN YOURSELF ACCORDINGLY ________________________________________
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Works like a charm!
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Re: Overstated income

Here in California, we have a book that's been around forever titled the "Unlawful Detainer Defense Manual." This darn thing is every landlord's nightmare. It details every delay tactic known to man and in the hands of a tenant (even those without legal training), it can buy tenants at least six months (more like twelve months in San Francisco) before they have to vacate the property for non-payment of rent.

I'm thinking Brian you ought to write the "Foreclosure Defense Manual." Of course, this will put you on the "hit list" with every loan servicer out there.

Sam

P. S.

Oh and as to the subject matter of "overstated income," I might be inclined to suggest that early on after a borrower discovers their income has been overstated they write a self-serving letter to their lender that starts out discussing another unrelated issue and then drops the overstated bomb in the middle (hey no one will ever get down to the third paragraph). After dropping the bomb, ask the lender to forward new forms so you can correct this error that someone else (probably your loan officer who no longer works their) mistakenly changed and you didn't see the error as you were hurried through the signing process.

Since your lender's employee won't get past the second paragraph, no forms will arrive, but you've done your part in trying to fix the situation. That will go a long way, a year or so down the road, as the lender attempts to assert a claim that your actions in obtaining the loan with fraudulent income information, were wrong. In simple terms, you attempted to correct the situation, the lender did nothing, and they should be estopped to assert your wrong doing since you attempted to rectify the situation and they ignored your attempt. Argument goes something like this. Hey this "mistake" can't really amount to fraud, since the lender was told about it and chose to do nothing to fix it.

Brian, do you agree?

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Angry Re: Overstated income

I have also been a victim of overstated income on my home loan by a Countrywide loan agent. The income statement required was signed by my manager and faxed to the Countrywide office and stated I made $60k annually. I just found out (after going through a short sale 9/2007) that my loan application has my income as $160,000 annually.

Now I've lost my home, over $88k in costs and my credit is in shambles.

Countrywide, of course, denies any wrongdoing and attorney's I've talked to want a minimum $2500 retainer AND 33% contingency to file a lawsuit.

Does anyone have any advice for recourse? Has anyone survived anything identical to this scenario?

Thanks.
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Re: Overstated income

If this was a Country Wide Employee, that altered documents, then you need to pursue both civil as well as contact law enforcement.
 
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Re: Overstated income

I agree and I've already reported the fraud to Countrywide's Fraud Hotline (It'll be ignored) and to the FBI.
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Re: Overstated income

Strangely enough maybe not.....Country Fried has had its share of woes and will most likely do some investigation. Do you have the altered documents? If not execute a QWR on Country Wide. You do have options with that in hand. They have to give it to you even after the F/C it is regulation.

QWR ----there are examples of the letter in the Tool Box. In that letter demand your Life of Loan History, copy of Note, Deed of Trust, Riders, all Assignments of the Deed of Trust, TIL, Right of Rescission (if refi), Lender Final HUD-1, copy of initial loan application and final lender loan application, all Broker and Lender Verifications of Income and Assets, all disclosures and all loan documents in your file, copy of appraisal. Send this three times certified return receipt required and also send it to the Broker, Title Company and all others in the Chain of the Transaction.
 
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thanks for the info. i have all my closing docs but i'll get them to resend every doc they have. this will be good for identifying the culprit but it still leaves me out $88k and with bad credit. i want redemption!
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Re: Overstated Income!

Poppy,

Thank you for the quick response. Here's the kicker in this... the application was originally turned down by underwriter and can only assume this was based on the 'original' loan application that was provided in the packet returned to the broker on 1/1/07..... question is, if the loan application was turned down, then how was it ever approved on the 2nd go around...... maybe given to a different underwriter with over-stated income application or the original underwriter instructed the broker on how to make the deal fly?? In this case, wouldnt the underwriter be held accountable if there was fraud?
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Re: Overstated Income!

As Poppy stated, I'll bet this happened more often than you would have thought. I caught mine on a review but didn't notice it at closing, when you're going through stacks of paperwork the one's you're least likely to concentrate on are the one's with your information.

In my case it was a refinance though, nonetheless, this caught my attention so I went back and reviewed my initial purchase loan docs. My income was actually understated on the purchase transaction, not by a whole lot, but the loan went through and appears to be a full doc loan. I didn't take any cash out so other than about a 12k in closing costs the size of the loan did not change.

Incredibly confusing to me, but I'd be willing to bet that there were a lot of folks playing with the numbers all through the process to get these loans approved. I think my appraisal was also played with b/c after learning a little on this site is that PMI (which I have) is priced off of LTV. I thought my appraisal was lower and despite my L.O. telling me she'd send a copy, she never did. I ordered a copy from the servicer and reviewed it and turned out to be higher than what I though, but I divided the appraised amount by amount financed and low and behold that put me right at 89.99 percent LTV. Just seems incredibly coincidental and magical in my opinion. Anyone who has questions on their loans should request the documents from the lender/servicer and compare them to their own copies and have them analyzed by a professional. There is much at stake should the borrower be in a recourse loan or a state that allows deficiency judgements.
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Old 02-24-2008, 02:14 PM   #18 (permalink)
Mary Salzer
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Re: Overstated Income!

The underwriter if she/he did rework the file is not the culpable party...they were threatened with their jobs, that is called duress if they had a family to feed. Try it on our side of the world with the name calling from the Broker side, the Corporate Management side and the always present if you do not approve this you are out the door.....

Yeah, I just packed my box and left before they went there, no problem, not for me, but for others yes....they were abused and used.

So keep in mind that the underwriter was a B*&%$, and other assorted lovely equally descriptive names in the equation. We were forced to do things that were not right....tell me if you were a single mother with children at home what would you do......no, there is no excusing it, but there are reasons and those reasons drove a lot of the decisioning that went on out there. No, I did not have children, so I was fairly content with the "oh my box is packed" and I am outta here attitude on a regular basis.....also learned to never have anything personal on my desk, it was a short term engagement in my professional opinion.

So one can assume that the situation was either condoned by management or by the pressure put on the underwriter by Broker and management. I would not be very quick to condemn the underwriter in this debacle. So who you wish to hold accountable is dependent on the side of the world you sit on.
 
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