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This is a discussion on Refinancing: Only for the privileged few (CNNMONEY within the Refinance forums, part of the Home Loan Section category; Removed URL and posted story. NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The good news: mortgage rates are down. The bad news: it's ...
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Removed URL and posted story. NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The good news: mortgage rates are down. The bad news: it's much harder to qualify for a refinanced loan these days. What's more, the borrowers who need to refinance the most - because their adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs) are resetting to higher interest rates - are among those having the most trouble winning approvals. "I'm turning away about 60% to 75% of the clients who come to me for a refi," said Bob Moulton, president of Americana Mortgage Group on Long Island, N.Y. "Some don't have enough equity and others have bad credit scores." During the boom years, lenders approved most anyone with a pulse. Not so today. Mortgage brokers recognize this and are now being very selective about the clients whose applications they choose to submit to the likes of Wells Fargo (WFC, Fortune 500) or Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500). Share your refinancing story If an applicant has poor credit, or a home whose value is rapidly deteriorating, they're just not going to bother. "If the person is Sweet Polly Purebread - good income, good assets, high credit score - there's money out there," said Moulton. "But if not, then it's harder." Interest rates are way down - 5.67% is the going rate for a a 30-year fixed loan this week, according to Freddie Mac. That has generated a spike in refinancing applications. Total mortgage applications were up 73% last week from a year earlier, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA), and 69%of those applications were for refis. Last February, when interest rates were about 6.3%, about 46% of applications were for refis. Homeowners: Can't pay? Just walk away The make-or-break metric for anyone looking to refinance right now is home equity - the difference between what is owed on a house and what the house is worth. But with home prices down, many homeowners have little of that precious commodity left. "If you have an 80% loan, with a 10% home equity loan, you may not be able to refinance," said Peter Grabel, a mortgage broker in Connecticut - especially in down markets. Consider a homeowner who bought in Miami a year ago with 20% down. Home prices have fallen 15% there in the past year, wiping out three-quarters of the equity. Lenders, who want collateral that's worth more than the value of the loan, are wary about having so little cushion. If they have to repossess and resell the house, they're on the hook for a big loss. "No lender would take that deal," said Marc Savitt, president of the National Association of Mortgage Brokers. "It's a lot different from two years ago." The bar has also been raised for credit scores when it comes to refinancing, according to Grabel. And sometimes, it's not a matter of whether someone can get refinancing but at what price. "Those with high credit scores are getting very good rates, but the lenders have heightened the requirements to qualify," said Grabel. Instead of a score of 680 for the best rate, a borrower might need 700 now. For example, Grabel has a client who wants a cash-out deal. The client has lots of equity in his house but a dismal credit score - 552. "I used to have 20 lenders I could send him to; now there's maybe one," said Grabel. "The rate, though, will be high, higher than what he's paying now." The only reason that this client will take that deal is because he's going through a divorce and needs to buy his wife out of their home. He doesn't have time to rebuild his credit rating, but he's lucky that at least his house appraises well. Home price drop is biggest ever Indeed, appraisals are another tool that lenders are using to eliminate unqualified applicants. "It used to be a formality," said Grabel. "Now it's, 'Lets do the appraisal first and see what value comes in." Lenders are scrutinizing them to a degree unheard of during the boom. They don't want to lend $160,000 on an appraised value of $200,000 unless they're sure the house is truly worth that. Ted Grose, a past president of the California Association of Mortgage Brokers, said lenders now often conduct what he called "bench reviews" of appraisals. "They have an experienced, independent third-party go over the appraisal to make sure the numbers are accurate," he said. Grose called many of the applicants he sees "very challenging, mostly because of high loan-to-value ratios." Many of these people took exotic loans to get into high-priced properties. They used hybrid ARMs that are resetting to higher rates, or interest only loans. Particularly deadly are option ARMs, which act as negative amortization loans; the payments don't even cover the interest and the balance grows over time. Combine that with falling home prices, and the loan balance may be more than the home's market value. Under those circumstances, said Grose, few borrowers can be helped. There is one bit of good news for homeowners this week: The stimulus bill passed by Congress late Thursday will raise the size of the loans that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac can buy from $417,000 to nearly $730,000 in some high-cost markets. Lenders are much more willing to make loans that can be sold to these two entities in the secondary market, which will make it easier for some people to refinance. Additionally, these so-called 'conforming' loans have interest rates a percentage point or more lower than 'jumbo' loans. "That's going to be huge," said Grose, especially for his clientele in high cost Los Angeles. But even for those who'll benefit from the new legislation, refinancing will never be as easy as it used to be. Last edited by Mary Salzer; 02-15-2008 at 01:01 PM.. |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Refinancing: Only for the privileged few (CNNM I just read the article that was posted from CNN Money, Can't Pay? Just Walk Away. They make it sound so simple. I realize that it effects your credit score, but is that it? If you live in a state that has deficiency judgements what do the mortgage companies do? Do they come after you for the difference that the house sold for an what you owe? If they do come after you, what exactly do they do? It just strikes me strange that they just make it look so easy. |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Refinancing: Only for the privileged few (CNNM The state you live in will determine how "easy" it is. I am sure there also many home owners who fall prey to bullish lenders telling them if you cant pay you will be foreclosed on and thats that!! That is why we need to get this site out in the public eye as much as possible so home owners can learn what their rights, etc. are when it comes to this. |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Refinancing: Only for the privileged few (CNNM I also read the article on CNN. Walking away is what we are planning to do now. Our lender is dragging their feet on our modification (losing faxes, failing to return phonecalls, etc) and have been for months. We have found a place to live and would be able to move in 2 months. We just received the BREECH LETTER from FF. I was hoping to stay in my home as long as possible, but we will inevitably lose it...it's the reality. We have an opportunity to move into a 4 bed/2 bath mobile home in a good school district. It has 600 more square feet than we have now, a fireplace, beautiful deck, meadow on one side and around the back. The owner needs just what she owes and we could move by April. Our house payments and lot rent together would be half of what we pay now.....and the house would be paid off in less than 10 years. My hsband and I talked this weekend about what is down the not to distant road for us. Two getting driver's licenses in less than 2 years. One going to college in 3 years and another one coming right behind them. We have no choice but to plan ahead, and staying here won't allow us to do anything for the kids. So.....the question.....HOW DOES ONE WALK AWAY? What do you do? Call the lender in April and say, "We're outta here!! Keys are in the mailbox!" Do we let them know we plan on leaving? The thought of just leaving my home empty and unloved makes me feel sick Char |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Refinancing: Only for the privileged few (CNNM Ohhh Girlfriend It takes a very brave woman to make choices that benefit her family. A even braver one to make those choices when they are not the easy ones. Keep your beautiful sense of humor. Great things are going to happen for you and your family. jennifer |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Refinancing: Only for the privileged few (CNNM I hear you. It's like they break you down until you don't want to fight anymore and you walk away instead of trying to help you which in turn would help them by not having a foreclosure. Just remember that the foreclosure will hurt your credit and it might be hard to buy another place. We are thinking of walking, it really freaks me out. We have NEVER been late on ANYTHING, even a credit card payment. But this place is killing us. I realize we signed a mortgage promising to pay but it has become impossible in the current market. I never in a million years thought we would be in a situation like this. Good luck to you! |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Refinancing: Only for the privileged few (CNNM Just a year ago the thought of throwing my hands in the air and saying....WE CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE....LET'S LEAVE...would never have crossed my mind. My husband is working 60 hours a week....I pick up work when and where I can (difficult to do with an autistic son, 10 year old and 4-year-old twins) but we will NEVER be able to just live if we stay here. We talked yesterday about the fact that right now we can't even feel comfortable ordering out for pizza....because we'll need that 20 bucks next week to pay for a prescription or other bill. We are living only to pay the mortgage and that's not working. I felt quite certain not long ago that I'd stay here until the sheriff knocked on my door. But instead, we have an opportunity knocking and we feel that we must answer. I understand the major hit the credit will be taking.....our credit is $hit right now anyway because FF forced us to fall behind in order to negotiate for the modification they are NOT giving us...so that doesn't bother us. We have a family friend who is willing to help us out so we can get into the new place. The very idea of paying less than half of what we pay now is so enticing. The school system we would be moving into is super with a great special education program. They have all day kindergarten and my twins will be going next year. Honestly, it feels like a light is at the end of our tunnel. We've been fighting the good fight and getting NOWHERE FAST so I believe it's time to wave the white flag and surrender. BTW.....the Governor of Ohio is touring Toledo today to see the absolute devastation foreclosure is having on our city. It's sick, sad, heartbreaking. Apparently there are 2 pieces of legislation in the works....neither of which will be approved in time to save us, but maybe it will save some of our neighbors and friends. Char |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Refinancing: Only for the privileged few (CNNM Char, Did you send the QWR out to your lender, I know that you had finished it, but did it do anything to help the modification process? I was just wondering if it had helped you at all with the lender....
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Refinancing: Only for the privileged few (CNNM ***... Yep...I sent the QWR. I received a letter stating... Thank you for your recent correspondence. Your inquiry is being carefully reviewed. We strive to provide you with the best customer service available (Think Matthew Long and the countless unreturned calls, lost faxes, etc). If we can do anything to assist you while we are researching your inquiry, please call one of our customer service representatives. Char |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Refinancing: Only for the privileged few (CNNM Char, I just wanted to tell you that I think you are so brave for what you are doing....You are doing what is best for your family and it takes a lot of courage to walk away. I am so proud of you and please know that you and your family are in my prayers always. God bless you Char!
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