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Should I refi primary residence to avoid short sale of rental property?

I am in a situation that I feel is unique but am hoping someone can share experiences or provide some advice. I own a 1 bed/1bath rental condo in Denver, CO. It has rented beautifully in the past but the vacancy rate is so high right now I cannot find a new tenant, even with dropping rent $300/month. My wife (married 3 months) and I purchased a primary home 2 years ago, when the condo rental situation was strong. Our home has about $35-$45k in equity. Withour rental unit vacant, we have been able to stay current on the 1st and 2nd loans, but will not be able to make the Sept payments. We've had the rental on the market to sell for about 30 days and I've notified the banks (1st-BofA, 2nd-Citi) of our intent to pursue a short sale. I've weighed a lot of different options and need to figure out which scenario has the best outcome. Assuming we can get an offer at market value, would anyone suggest refinancing our primary home to close on the deal without going through short sale? Obviously, this would speed the process up and keep my credit clean. The downside is running the risk of over-leaveraging our primary house. I'm willing to pursue a cash-out refi, but my wife isn't as sold on the idea. Any thoughts, advice would help.


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Old 08-24-2009, 03:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Should I refi primary residence to avoid short sale of rental property?

I am not sure over leveraging your home and placing you and your new wife further in debt is a wise choice. I just believe that it is money you don't have to spare and it is not money, it is equity and that is hard to find these days.

If you can stay current during the short sale, you should only see a minor hit on your credit. But getting a short sale when your current is very, very hard to pull off and rarely done. So, you need to understand that also.

Credit will not do much for you for about 3-7 years and you don't want to take on more debt. Get any pain over with now and recover later.
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Re: Should I refi primary residence to avoid short sale of rental property?

Thanks Moe. Your input and this forum continues to be a great resource for us. Just a couple more questions. At what point in the SS process should I get an attorney's help? As an investor, can I expect to get a 1099-C if the short sale goes through? Thanks again for your help.
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Re: Should I refi primary residence to avoid short sale of rental property?

Pulling equity from your primary res or from any other source for that matter, and using the proceeds to pay off worthless bad-risk debt is nothing but throwing good $$$ after bad. Same thing with credit cards. In this particular instance, you're just making the banks richer and you poorer. You're giving them the upper hand. In this market, values are past the point of NO RETURN.

Now, pulling out the equity and putting the money into a asset or investment exempt from creditors (such as your lender), however, is the smartest hedge in light of yours and many others' similar scenarios. You always protect against the worst of odds. If you have zero equity, you're in a much better position to re-negotiate loan terms in your favor. It's doubtful a lender will look at your loan re-negotiation with equity in your house. They will you to sell the house and pay them off which only an idiot would do! You are a sitting duck for the vultures!

Thus, if you are judgement-proff, and the deal turns to crap (the lender stonewalls you), pull the plug on them! Credit and borrowing for investors is meaningless now and it will take at least 2-5 years before lending returns to normalcy anyway.

Furthermore, I wouldn't count on values for rental properties coming back anytime within the next 5-10 years.

So, again, I would first judgement-proof myself, then, if you have to default in order to get the lender to consider you, do that. At least you're protected against the worst-case scenarios.

I would first try for a loan mod to salvage what you worked hard for, even pitch the lender on reducing principle in exchange for getting some of the appreciation when prices rebound. Try anything before throwing in the towel and short selling or worse, foreclosing.

Regarding the 1099-C, as long as you didn't pull a second or HELOC on the property you're short selling, the loss you incurred from the cost basis less the selling price wipes out the forgiveness gain that must be reported from the 1099-C (assuming the difference of your loss exceeds the amount of the gain). It's simple math and a good accountant can take care of that. I don't know why everyone is so concerned with the 1099-C issue. Again, as long as the loan being short sold was a purchase money loan (not a refi), the loss cancels the gain which results in zero tax liability.

Another method to avoid the debt forgiveness gain is to show insolvency to the IRS at the time the property was sold short. Now, how many borrowers aren't in some kind of hardship if they have to short sell??? I don't know any.
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Re: Should I refi primary residence to avoid short sale of rental property?

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Credit will not do much for you for about 3-7 years and you don't want to take on more debt. Get any pain over with now and recover later.

good advice. I am trying to get this over with as soon as possible for myself but from my readings on this forum it will be several months. I almost want to just tell the banks to start the foreclosure process (skipping the short sale attempt) to get it over with so I can move on. what really worries me is after I loose the house, what else are they going to take from me?
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