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This is a discussion on Possible TILA violation? within the Predatory Lending & Mortgage Law forums, part of the Foreclosure Laws category; Hi. I am in foreclosure with a sale date looming. I was reviewing my copy package closing documents and noticed ...
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Hi. I am in foreclosure with a sale date looming. I was reviewing my copy package closing documents and noticed that my 3 day right to cancel notice is blank. Not signed or dated. I must have signed them at closing but do not remember. Is not having two copies of a dated recission notice a violation of TILA law and can it be used in my favor in any way? Thank you |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Possible TILA violation? Yes, that can very much be in your favor. I would say that is a violation based on how the law reads. Here is a copy of a Truth in Lending Act article written by an attorney here. The notice of right to cancel is perhaps the most straight forward requirement of the creditor set forth by TILA, yet the most commonly violated in predatory lending. It seems apparent from reading TILA, Regulation Z and the associated commentary, that Congress was concerned with two aspects of the creditor/borrower relationship. First, they wanted to make sure borrowers received as much disclosure as practical so that they can make an informed decision. Second, they wanted to make sure that borrowers had ample time to consider this decision after being presented with all the details. The three-day right to cancel is intended to accomplish this second concern. The law is very clear on what is required when it comes to the notice of right to cancel. Each borrower, must receive two notices of right to cancel which clearly and conspicuously disclose: (1) the retention or acquisition of a security interest in the consumer’s principal dwelling; (2) the consumer’s right to rescind the transaction; (3) how to exercise the right to rescind with a form for that purpose, designating the address of the creditor’s place of business; (4) the effects of rescission; and (5) the date the rescission period expires (Regulation Z § 226.23(b)(1)(i-v)). In an effort to assist creditors, Regulation Z even includes a model form showing exactly what must be disclosed. 12 C.F.R. § 226 App. H. Unfortunately, creditors often leave the completion of these forms to the closing agent or notary public. Given the recent rise of “mobile notaries” or “loan document signers”, the environment is fraught with negligence when it comes to this duty. To understand how this negligent disclosure occurs, it is important to understand how the loan signing is conducted in practice. After loan documents are generated and issued by the lender, they are sent to an escrow company designated often times by the mortgage broker. Typically the loan documents are transmitted via email but regardless of the form, the escrow company prepares the loan document package, including the lender documents with documents prepared by escrow. The notice of right cancel is one of the documents provided by the lender, however since the lender does not know when the borrower will ultimately sign the documents, they typically leave certain fields on the notice blank, specifically the date the rescission period expires (see item #5 above). The documents are then presented to the borrower, often in the comfort of their home with a “mobile notary” present to notarize the requisite documents and direct the signing. The notary public will usually present the borrowers with a “copy package” of the loan documents that is an exact duplicate of the ones to be executed and returned to escrow. This is often where the problem arises. A prudent lender will put sufficient copies of the right to cancel in the loan documents when they deliver them to escrow. In a transaction with a husband and wife this usually means a total of five (5) copies, two per borrower as required by statute, and one to be acknowledged by the borrower and returned to the lender. However the notary will often presume that the copy package contains all necessary paperwork for the borrower(s) and proceed to have them execute all notices and retain them in the package. When the lender receives five notices they logically presume that the borrower is in possession of a copy package and thus the remaining four are redundant. The problem is that the notary never opened up the copy package and properly completed these notices and thus, the borrower never received adequate notices of right to cancel. This scenario has numerous variations but the result is that many borrowers were never properly given their notice of right to cancel, and as such, are entitled to rescission pursuant to TILA.
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Possible TILA violation? You are most welcome. You can try and call Brian Korte at 561-327-7770 and see what he can do to hep you.
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Possible TILA violation? Hi Moe, Is it possible to connect me with your mortgage and law specialist in California? You responded to a post of mine on your wonderful website about possible TILA violations and I would like to know if I still have time to pursue this avenue to stop my foreclosure sale, which is this Tuesday, Jan. 8th. Thank you so much for your time. |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Possible TILA violation? Yes, please call Marshall Rosenbach at 310-860-4764. Good luck, not much time.
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Possible TILA violation? In your case I would have to advise that a Bankruptcy would be the best option. You legal position in state court is some what bleak (the judgment has already been entered against you), but in federal court is a whole new ball game. You should assert the TILA violations and recession in the BK as a defense to the creditors claim. |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Possible TILA violation? Hi again Moe. I am a little confused about the 3 day right to rescind law. Does it apply for purchase transactions only or does it apply for refinance-owner- occupied transactions? Or both? An agent I have spoken to says purchase transactions do not have a rescind period. I thought they did. If they if fact [I]do[I] have the 3 days, my copy package does not contain any copies of that doc. Can you clear that up for me? Thanks. |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Possible TILA violation? I have looked at my right of right of recission document and it has two dates in the tranaction date line#1 (one crossed out and another handwritten in with my initials) and then in the "no later than midnight" space provided in the "how to cancel box" there are two dates; one typed and one handwritten; neither of these are crossed out or initialed in any way. So it looks to me that there are two dates in one slot. Is this a violation? |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Possible TILA violation? You would need to have the documents reviewed by a real estate attorney skilled in finding RESPA and TILA violations to determine if it is.
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Possible TILA violation? I am scared of lawyers. I think that they will just come up with any reason for me to pay them a thousand dollars whether it looks like I have a case or not. Is there any way to determine if I have a case based on this or the reporting of YSP without a lawyer? |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Possible TILA violation? try contacting the attorney on the home page of the forum and asking your question......forensic doc review is their area of expertise.
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Possible TILA violation? ***, I have closing loan documents signed after the closing date and a Truth in Lending Disclosure that has the wrong amount financed typed. My closing date was on 02/20/04 and just found the following signed and dated by me and my wife on 04/04/08. Sadly however I believe there is a 3 year statute on any legal challenge on these items. Anti-Coersion Disclosure Servicing Disclosure Statement Addendum to Loan Application Affiliated Business Arrangement Disclosure Statement Interest Rate and Loan Fee Policy (lock-in rate and/or float rate options) Credit Authorization Release Form Cover letter from the Lenders closing attorney dated 03/09/04 which seems strange considering why would I have waited almost 1 month to sign and return these items. Is there any recourse or violations that occurred on signing these documents after the closing? Thanks in advance, Vinny |
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Possible TILA violation? Vinny...............I am not an attorney............you would also need to ask that question of an attorney that performs the doc reviews........... you can call the attorney on the home page of the forum.........they should be able to answer that one for you.
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | Re: Possible TILA violation? I am considering getting a loan audit done. I am told that I should get a signed copy of the final and initial 1003, TILA, and Good Faith. I have requested the documents form WAMU. They only send me the final copies. Called them back and asked for the initial documents and was told to go to the WAMU branch where I initiated the loan. I went there and I was told they don't have them and my escrow company should (at this point I fell I am getting the run around). Called the escrow and was told by them by law they don't keep those copies and my lender should have them. Called WAM back and now they are saying they are going to look for them and they will send it me. I don't recall signing all the disclosures in the beginning and I feel they can't find them because they were never given to me. Are there any violations in my case. These are three investment properties in Arizona that I purchased during the two month period from WAMU directly. The loans are original ones which has been 4 years and it is an option arm. I am trying to see if I have a case here because I tried to modify the loan and was told by AWMU the investor does not modify investment properties. |
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