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Thumbs down Mr. Builder and His House of Scams

Are builders in on the scam? Of course they were! This is a series of posts I will be doing that gives people a behind the scenes look at the mortgage industry that most people never get to witness.

Contributed by Poppy from Arizona:

Hey, how about the appraiser that decided he could not come to value (fancy that), who in his infinite wisdom decided to alter/raise the sales prices for the comparables on the top of the grid and adjust from there……he sure was able to bracket and support the value he derived for that subject property and a few others too. Now the comparables’ sales prices did not match the recorded/actual sales prices on the MLS or in Public Records, but hey, what’s a few fifty thousand or hundred thousand here or there.

The value of the subject properties were inflated to no where near true market value, but what the heck, who would know or care….. Well, inquiring minds want to know and so they inquired, a little knowledge is a powerful tool. My Realtor friends provided the MLS listings on the sold comparable properties and a little internet surfing provided the public records. You may ask who would do this awful, manipulative, divisive act…a Builder Appraiser. Wow, bet you are surprised, Mr Builder (National Builder) should be ashamed. Keeps those sales prices rising on his lackluster sub-divisions in the shadow of declining values everywhere else in the immediate neighborhoods, Mr Builder’s profits suck just about everywhere else, but in this market they appear to be just dandy and still rising…

Is this a past or present act?

Present, presently going on as we speak in one market with which I intimately familiar. What does the lender/correspondent do -requires it to go forward. The word “require” is mild, the owner, Mr Lender, of this mortgage bank/brokerage has an annoying habit of coming across the desk at the underwriter literally spitting profanities (goggles were de rigor on that assignment), threatening the underwriter with their jobs directly and in insinuating terms.

You should see what Mr Lender can do with private money mortgages to hide undisclosed properties for his clients….the man is amazingly criminal while combining the innocence of a new born babe when you reveal his malfeasance to him after reviewing the loan. Absolutely no conscience, totally entitled, you are the fiend if you discover that malfeasance and professionally and politely point out the issues then carefully and respectfully decline the credit request.

The phrase “all holy hell” does not even begin to describe the ensuing events.




As for Mr Builder -we all are familiar with the name, who to protect the guilty will go unpublished, my guess is that Mr Builder is part and parcel of the whole shebang (this appraiser is Mr Builder’s preferred appraiser) and has given specific instructions to the value that must be met regardless of market reality. When confronted by these naughty appraisal antics I would venture to assume that Mr Builder will protest his innocence as vigorously as the above Mr Lender and with many of the same offensive tactics.

So, you the buyer of Mr Builder’s new home, you just got taken by a really sophisticated shell game. Congratulations, that new home you just purchased is most likely worth 30,000.00 to 40,000.00 less than you paid. You walked into that one, you are most likely in an 80/95% LTV/CLTV Product in todays market, but you are still upside down.

Mr Investor, you have invested in another loss leader should you buy this turkey 80/15 Combo Product, you too are underwater, yet again, yet another one. With all of the declining values going around in today’s markets about a year from now this collateral will be at least 50,000.00 to 60,000.00 below its original sales price, never mind original value, it was never valid.

Now for a relevant revelation - did you know that the collective Mr Builders (multiple National Builders) are requiring buyers to sign non disclosure agreements at the time of Sales Contract as regards that buyer’s sales price. Began sometime last year around October, you can not discuss with your neighbors and fellow homeowners what you paid for your New Home.

Damn, up or down Mr Builder is protected.

You paid less than the neighbor on the right, he will never know how much he has lost in value over the last year or so. You paid more than the neighbor on the left, you will never know how badly you were snookered.

22 Responses
  1. Rick
    November 14th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
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    The non disclosure clause is useless. The transfer records of most counties are public records (some now available online) and show both sales price and assessed value. Mortgage recordation is also a public record showing face amounts of all recorded liens.
  2. STEVE
    November 14th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
    2
    This all sounds like that guy in Cape Coral, Florida.
    See the posts “trouble for the famous guy in the Cape”
    Check out this link:
    http://blog.mlive.com/annarbornews/2.../HRACUcase.pdf
    Keep up the fight on this site. We need to get rid of BAD lenders (read Countrywide), BAD builders (read Gulfstream) and BAD gurus (read RW)
    JG
  3. DBrady
    November 14th, 2007 at 4:37 pm
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    Builders also profit by forcing homebuyers to use their mortgage company in order to qualify for any incentives the builder may be offering. Buyers pay higher rates and fees when they do not hae the complete freedom to shop for the mortgage that fits them rather than the builder.
  4. STEVE
    November 14th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
    4
    This also sounds like that famous guy from the Cape (Cape Coral, Florida)
    This all sounds like that guy in Cape Coral, Florida.
    See the posts “trouble for the famous guy in the Cape”
    Check out this link:
    http://blog.mlive.com/annarbornews/2.../HRACUcase.pdf
    Keep up the fight on this site. We need to get rid of BAD lenders (read Countrywide), BAD builders (read Gulfstream) and BAD gurus (read RW)
    JG
  5. Sam Valenciano
    November 14th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
    5
    There are several Mr. Builders in Florida, too bad this article came out too late.
  6. Moe
    November 14th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
    6
    I am in the Inland Empire of Southern California. There is a Mr. Builder on every corner and now they are offering $100k-$200k incentives and 8% co-ops.
    Wasn’t long ago when there was lines for these homes and no co-ops with outside agents. You must use their lender, yada, yada, yada.
    Hell, they are still building these homes.
    Amazing, the world we live in now.
  7. Lost Everything
    November 14th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
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    This happened to me and my family, except we lost 20%+ in 6 short months. Same situation, builder owned the mortgage broker/lender. The appraiser was a “builder appraiser” which was owned by a joint subsidiary of the builder/lender. Builder also withheld material facts upon purchasing the house (new subdivision, they owned all the info) from us. Let’s not even talk about the fraud I discovered on the loan on the part of the broker. But then again, he was simply the broker for the builder and needed to move the inventory. His involvement was “riskless” if the loan went bad. We have had to “walk” on the house like so many of our neighbors. It is now all a matter of mathematics - we will never recover from the drop in the value of the house of 35%+ after owning it approx 1.5 yrs. We were victims of the “Perfect Storm” of fraud. Our story has so many layers - much, much, more and is very interesting. I have learned so much. We are currently seeking an attorney, but cannot find one that knows anything about appraisals, loans, builders…..
  8. Steve
    November 14th, 2007 at 6:08 pm
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    As an Independent Fee Appraiser I watch Aprriasl Management Companies that are owned by the lender harrass appraisers on a regular basis. I am proud I have been blacklisted by Lenders that have asked me to break USPAP and been blacklisted for refusing to do so. However I am watching as the Mr. Builders have folded up thier tents and the appraisers have been prosecuted. The lenders have for the most part played carpet bagger and the new legislation requiring everyone to disclose everything and for all financial people to be licensed and bonded is a good thing. I have advocated that the State set up a fee panel system which could pay for itself and clean up the industry but then I also believe appraisers need to unionize also. They pick on the appraiser because they are easy targets. If you have a problem with an inflated appraisal that you recieved turn in a complaint at the Appraisal Board of your State. If your conclusion that there is colusion is correct the appraiser will loose his license and can face Federal Prison for loan fraud.
  9. upthecreek
    November 14th, 2007 at 7:06 pm
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    I is truly amazing how these builders( Woodbridge Homes) worked. In our neighborhood the builder sold 3 properties to one investor and told all the other homeowners all the homes are sold to only non investors.. the same investor had 2 friends also buy 2 properties each. ..so far we have 7 REO’s out of 62 homes built..Guess what all the bad loans are with Countrywide…3 more REO’s coming soon..The same investors also bought properties in the builders other 2 projects…What a scam…
  10. scott
    November 14th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
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    YOu are incorrect. The only transfer amount is the amount for the lot, thus the improvements are not part of the sales price….at least in Michigan
  11. Mark
    November 14th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
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    I have seen this for years from the sidelines as I am an “outside lender.” I would NEVER buy a home from a builder and have NEVER sought to become a “inside” lender. what happened to RESPA.
  12. SHAWN
    November 14th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
    12
    In California, the transfer tax on the grant deed WILL show the final sales price for the property, including improvements, but will not show what the property was initially for sale at before incentives.
  13. Sandy
    November 14th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
    13
    I bought a house in March 2006, in Florida, 3/2, moved from California. My builder just DROPPED the base price $30,000 !! I work in mortgage banking, well, did, and I have 75/25% financing. Will I lose? Well, yes, and then again no, but I do want to hang on to the house if I can. I know eventually it will go up, but the only problem for me is finding work. I can deal with the “deflation” of the value, based my plans to stay.. But it ticks me off that my payments are about $400 more due to that stupid $30,000.
  14. Renee
    November 14th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
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    Youneed to contact a real estate attorney.
  15. Renee
    November 14th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
    15
    I’m an “outside” lender as well. I worked for about a year as a “preferred lender” for a builder. I removed myself because I felt it was a real conflict of interest, who are you serving? The borrower or the builder?
    I felt my alligence was with the borrower but I’m sure the builder wouldn’t have seen it the same way so I don’t work for builders anymore.
  16. Anonymous
    November 14th, 2007 at 10:24 pm
    16
    Mr. Builder and His House of Scams
    Are builders in on the scam? Of course they were! This is a series of posts I will be doing that gives people a behind the scenes look at the mortgage industry that most people never get to witness.
    Contributed by Poppy from Arizona:
    Hey, how about the appraiser that decided he could not come to value (fancy that), who in his infinite wisdom decided to alter/raise the sales prices for the comparables on the top of the grid and adjust from there……he sure was able to bracket and support the value he derived for that subject property and a few others too. Now the comparables’ sales prices did not match the recorded/actual sales prices on the MLS or in Public Records, but hey, what’s a few fifty thousand or hundred thousand here or there.
  17. Nathan Fransen
    November 15th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
    17
    My favorite “builder logic” is when they tell the consumer they are “free” to use any lender they want but theres offers “incentives”. I have seen builders pay over $60,000 in incentives if you use their lender. What kind of a choice is that? Through some twisted logic they don’t consider this steering though. They also don’t see a RESPA issue either. Kind of hard to feel sorry for some of them now that things aren’t so good.
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