REALLY, Please post why you aren't signing the Petitions???

[BobandArlyn]

Bloominga, you did a WONDERFUL job on these Petitions. The Petitions were posted for the 21,000+ members to review and comments/suggestions requested and encouraged.

Funny thing, there weren't any fredk's out there saying "stop whining". Well fredk, could you ADD something SUBSTANTIAL besides stop whining?. What is wrong with the Petitions fredk?

[AZOwner]

Team:

Do not dispair and do not be discouraged. I have driven home from work everynight this week wondering why . . . why do I spend hours on this forum every day? Everyone is very worried about their own story, lots are afraid of "discovery", and lots more look at the initiative like, "we can't really make a difference" . . .

One thing is for sure, we have gotten alot of signatures for a small committed group and that is something to be proud of -- not discouraged by.

And you know what else? You have a wealth of knowledge, you senior members -- if nothing else this group will work like hell to insure that we do EVERYTHING we can to SAVE YOUR HOME.

Meanwhile, keep the chin up and know that you are supported my MANY -- we keep working to get the word out, and to support one another in our small group battles.

You can count on me . . . I won't change the world by myself, and we may not change the world together . . . but I will NEVER be BEATEN, and I will NEVER be ASHAMED.

Much love and peace,
Your friend,
Melissa

[fredk]

Originally Posted by BobandArlyn

Bloominga, you did a WONDERFUL job on these Petitions. The Petitions were posted for the 21,000+ members to review and comments/suggestions requested and encouraged.

Funny thing, there weren't any fredk's out there saying "stop whining". Well fredk, could you ADD something SUBSTANTIAL besides stop whining?. What is wrong with the Petitions fredk?

I think you need to take a deep breath and read what i was speaking of. The whing I refered to is the whining about people not signing, not the petitions content

[fredk]

Originally Posted by caldwellb02

Jesus Christ. You want it fed to you on a silver platter? We are not the webmasters. We are just like you. WE DO NOT HAVE THE CONTROL OF THE WEBSITE AND CAN'T PUT THE PETITION UP FRONT.

Come on! Do YOU want to do something about this mess? Or do you just want the benefit of the experienced advice here and don't care a fig about the rest of the homeowners. If that's the case, get off of this forum.

You asked me i think

[BobandArlyn]

AZOwner,

Really well said !! I applaud you, Bloominga, Native, Caldwell, Catherine, and all the others I'm forgetting at the moment. Without your desire to work hard to help those other than yourselves to keep their homes, we would have all given up by now. Do the others not realize this? I do and I thank you all.

Arlyn

[caldwellb02]

Well that is not how it read Fred. We are stressed and exhausted and have had it with people coming onto the forum wanting help but not willing to give it.

You were not in on the development of the petition. you have no idea what went into it. I don't whine. I'm pissed. And confused. And pretty much sick of people who take and take and give nothing.

[AZOwner]

caldwell - man, I just love you to pieces.

[bloominga]

fredk, I did very little for the actual masterpiece you see as the 'petition'. I worked hard trying to do my part to distribute the invitation to go out, read it and asked them to sign it. Caldwell did most of it along with a couple of the other team members.

If I stepped on any toes, as far as members and/or team I apologize. I personally thought we needed to recognize everyone's right to ask why the petition might not be working the way we had thought it would. If there are others that had suggestions for the petition, it was posted and they could have offered a contribution to it.

I really do wish we had more signatures. We all worked so hard, I mean EVERYONE that sent emails to friends, media or elected officials to promote our cause to save homes. I have found some very deep and fulfilling friendships in the short time I have been here and thank everyone that participated in the petition.

I usually don't get involved in any heated discussions but could not stay quiet tonight. We are all stressed trying to save our homes and battling such evil that I thought would never happen in America. I so hope to prevent it from being that way for my children and their children.

Goodnight and peace.

[nativelasvegan]

fredk - no harm to you intended. Please hang out here and gather the information you need to help you fight for your modification. We are here to help each other fight for our loan modifications and hopefully if most of us are successful, it will lead to stabilization of the housing economy. We do not mean to gang up on you or cause you more grief than you already have. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and from time to time, we can agree to disagree. Everyone here is welcome and please use the "search" feature to search for your specific needs or start a new thread for help.

United we stand, divided we fall. THERE IS POWER IN NUMBERS.

[darlyj]

Originally Posted by nativelasvegan

daryl - there is no discredit in the petition for signing as a non-homeowner. I was hoping to make a point that not only are homeowners going to suffer from the misuse of TARP funds, but all Americans. The petition provides that we want the legislation to change. You do not have to be a homeowner to sign the petition. We want the economy to stabilize and maybe even increase. It is not merely the homeowners who suffer here, it is the economy as a whole. The petition is our attempt to make sure the government knows that we will hold them accountable for our taxpaying dollars. If you have paid taxes, you have a vested interest in our plight. Please do not hesitate in signing the petition. You are more than welcome here. Most of us have spent hundreds of hours here free. Why? We care. We want to help. If we can share our experience and save that next person hours worth of research, we can sleep a little better at night. None of us are getting paid to be here. If you don't pay taxes, well, I guess you won't worry about the Billions of taxpayer dollars that has been wasted. If you have paid taxes, please do your part, join us in our fight to make the government accountable and let's make a difference.

I understand perfectly that people who are actually on the paperwork are certainly NOT the only ones to suffer in this now and down the road. Believe me. As a wife and mom of three small kids I get that fact crystal clear every single day. I was leery of signing it because I did not want anyone to have any more ammo to try and discredit the petition. I will now.

On the subject of why people are not signing the petition: I think that some might be a little freaked out about signing it when they are trying to work something out with their bank. Not something I'm personally worried about - just saying 'cause some might be.

[litehouse01]

I signed.....said only 3 from my state MD had signed thus far...................

[mimirayo]

Bloom...sometimes I get lost in here. I try to find the "task of the day" and if I'm lucky someone has posted and I can click on the link. Is there anyway that an email with an explanation of the petition and a link can be sent to the members?

If there was some kind of permanent link like at the top that could easily be gotten to



I think the petition was great. If it was flawed SO WHAT at least someone is trying. It's so easy to get caught up in the day to day struggle with your own home. But wouldn't it be nice if it wasn't? You think the banks are going to change that? People just need to step out of their comfort zone and stand up. What's the worst thing that will happen...you lose your home? Well, we're all there - and the way it looks for a lot of people who got trial mods, and now getting denied it's not getting any better!

Thanks for the petition.

[lemaudit]

signed and tweeted to 10,000 followers

I can't find the rep link - can anyone post the link to the thread?

[B Stevens]

I haven't signed it because my politicians and I do not agree. I have Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein and I swear they are both retards and communists. I wrote to them about Health Care and how I am for reform but not government control of it. I keep getting updates about how I should appreciate their progress in making health care available to all no matter what the cost is. B effin S!
I refuse to vote on political affiliation. I vote for candidates who have a track record of following the constitution. I don't believe in petitions. I really feel they don't give a crap about what YOU want unless you throw in lots of money with it.

[THANKS2U]

Originally Posted by survivor

And to add to Native, Fredk, these people on here having been working night and day to come up with this petition, while the rest sat to the side.(myself included) THEY ASKED for input, from everyone, so if there is something in there they don't agree with, too bad, they should have spoke up and put in their two cents. They did a wonderful job.

Those that don't sign, then they do not have to, but they can't sit back and whine themselves afterward, that they lost their home. Why are they bothering to figure out how to save it, if they don't want to fight for it?
And, also, no disrespect to any of you, but this is directed to Thanks2u also, why should they seek to see whats wrong? Input should have been added at the time of drafting.

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" Why should they seek to see what's wrong ? "

Hmmm ?? I think you just answered you own question !

But I will seek to help you & us all with many things in life

Paradigm thought processes.

If at first you don't succeed.

Walk a mile in their shoes

Shoe on the other foot

Bottom line... This is all about selling something

Why is it NOT selling ! ? I . E. Why are people not signing

Perhaps a google search on how to advertise and sell a product will help

Start another thread asking what would incite people to vote.

If a man or women is trying to get a job and get SIGNED on, what works in this day and age..

Same goes for getting a boyfriend or girlfriend

Sex sells - make the petition more sexy and more attractive

Set up a web site

Get your petition on a website that is more than just a fast track informational thread site, like this site is.

Not many will want to blindly reveal their e mail addresses in an unsecure and obscure setting, not even me.

Yes, the petition itself is strong and sexy and worth reading and believing, it is absolutely is worth buying !

So why are people NOT buying it, after all the VERY HARD WORK you put into the petition product.

Because the advertising is less strong and unattractive

This is just human nature folks - Where is the luring label

We are drawn to and sign up for things that are presented in a HIGLY FLASHY and HIGHLY PROFESSIONAL WAY

Screaming and demeaning people to sign a petition, on an spinning merry go round information forum like this one, is counter productive and is basically a big flop, as we all have been witness to here on loansafe.

Think Realestate - LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.

Asking people to sign a petition here is the WRONG LOCATION !

You can ask loansafe people to click on a STICKY that Moe or Evan can put up for you and then the sticky shouldl direct us to an individual petition site that has a sexy LOCATION with a clear view of what the petition is saying and why people need to sign the petition.

Right now you are selling big bright juicy oranges on a fast freeway offramp.

This sweet juicy petition of yours needs to be sold in a different location.

Only use this site to hand out the flyers of where people must go to see the real deal petition at a proper location.

Some oranges will be sold at freeway offramps, but not near as many that will sell at a nice farmers market with a good location and display

Stop swinging around oranges in a big plastic bag here

Your petition deserves a STICKY and then a www address link to a better location

Hope this helps

Thanks2u

[sick and tired]

I signed the first one that you did not give your name when it first came out. I was afraid to give my name to the second one but after reading this post I did some thinking and did sign both. I realized if you do not stand up YOU DO NOT HAVE A VOICE. I hope others will feel the same and get the confidence to sign

[AZOwner]

Originally Posted by B Stevens

I haven't signed it because my politicians and I do not agree. I have Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein and I swear they are both retards and communists. I wrote to them about Health Care and how I am for reform but not government control of it. I keep getting updates about how I should appreciate their progress in making health care available to all no matter what the cost is. B effin S!
I refuse to vote on political affiliation. I vote for candidates who have a track record of following the constitution. I don't believe in petitions. I really feel they don't give a crap about what YOU want unless you throw in lots of money with it.

B - this website is not about political affiliations, nor is the peition a statement that you agree with your reps. You will likely find that every one of us are pulling our boots on to VOTE EVERY INCUMBANT OUT of office with every election.

This peition is about getting some focus back on the American People, for the ROOT of our current economic condition.

Please sign.

Thanks.

[ama125]

I think we must also keep in mind that this site was started 3 years ago... many of the 21000+ members may no longer be active (they don't come here anymore). If we could get Moe to send out an email to ALL registered members, past and present and future, we could spread the word. I just don't know if that would be allowed (sending out a mass email). We also don't know how tech savvy some members are in navigating the boards here. I have come across other petitions online with only 25 or so signed on them, so in comparison, we are getting a larger number to sign on in just a short period of time and that is something to be proud of. I agree, we need Moe to make the petition a sticky and we need a link right on the top bar next to the forum and donate links. Maybe even a button to click on at the top of every page of this site to go right to the petition site. I commend everyone for their efforts. It is hard to motivate people and I'm sure a lot of them just don't know or have a fear of being discovered. We cannot do this alone...let your voices be heard! Do not let fear silence you! You have a voice...please use it!

[AZOwner]

BTW, I have emailed and phoned Moe to ask for a banner (twice). I know he is busy with filming, and maybe Evan can assist, but I don't know how to get Evan . . .

[booggs28]

dressing it up will do what? sex sells? no shit - how's about we put a big set of hooters on it and shoot it out to the web? would that make a difference? How about some flashy boarder around it? Would that entice more to sign it?

How about this: THE BANKS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN HELPING YOU. YOU ARE BEING LIED TOO. THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE YOUR TRIAL PAYMENTS FOR AS LONG AS THEY SEE FIT. YOU WILL FINISH YOUR TRIAL AND YOU WILL BE DENIED A PERMANANT MODIFICATION AND THEY DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU A REASON WHY. THEY WILL FORECLOSE AND YOU WILL BE LOOKING FOR A NEW ROOF OVER YOUR HEAD. FOR THOSE LUCKY FEW THAT ACTUALLY GET THEIR LOANS MODIFIED, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU ARE FORTUNATE AND NOW YOU ARE A STATISTIC FOR THE BANKS AND THE GOVERNMENT TO SEND OUT TO THE MEDIA ABOUT HOW THEY ARE SAVING HOMES. HAMP IS A "FEEL GOOD LEGISLATION". THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU A LOAN MODIFICATION, IT'S VOLUNTARY. REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT OF BAILOUT MONEY THEY RECEIVED, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO JACK SHIT FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN THEMSELVES.

Like this forum, no one here has to help one single member, its VOLUNTARY, yet, look at all the people who have volunteered their time, energy, knowledge and dedication to the information that you've gotten?

You can come to this site time and again and seeking all the information you want. You can fax your information ten times over to Who the Hell knows. You can call your Rep, your Negotiator, your Congressman/woman, your Senator, hell, call the Easter Bunny as well for that matter. Do you know how many here, including Caldwell, Bloom and the other many senior members who have been here helping, working this second job posting all the information they can to help other? Do you know that some have been in this for over a year or more trying to save their homes? Do you know that they have been told yes you qualify, just to be told NO a month later? Do you know the amount of stress and anguish they have been thru just to have their hopes dashed? Guess what, your gonna be in their shoes real soon and its a rude awakening, get some sleep now because your going to need it.

How many new members have just been in this for a month? Maybe, two? How many of you still 'BELIEVE" that your lender wants to help you? How long will you continue to SPIN THE WHEEL until you get the fact that they are just TAKING YOUR MONEY and blowing smoke up your azzez because they have you and they know it. WELCOME TO THE DOG AND PONY SHOW COMPLETE WITH SMOKE AND MIRRORS TO ADD TO THE ILLUSION, COME INSIDE COME INSIDE.

I can not make this any more plain and simple. This is REALITY. In order to make a difference and bring "REAL CHANGE" your gonna have to step outside your comfort zone.

So what if your lender finds out you signed a petition against them and the Government? You really think its going to matter either way? Your chances of getting your loan modification is about as good as getting hit by a meteor while your scrabbling eggs in your kitchen. And that my friends, is the truth regardless of whether you want to believe it or not.

Alot of time and thought has gone into this petition, not everyone here is internet savy, not everyone here has ever dealt with writing a petition for that matter or blessed with the knowledge of how the hell to get it out to the masses. Getting TRAFFIC to it starts here. Momentum will be gained in time. But the ones that have been working on this have been racking their brains and others on how to get this moving, how to publish it, how to bring attention to it on top of trying to save their homes as well.

If you want to sign it, sign it, if you don't then don't bother getting on the threads and posting unless you intend on doing something other than making some half azzed suggestions and not putting any action into said suggestions. Take some action on your part and maybe in the future you can share with your kids, grandkids and other about how you were involved in changing the future for the better for them and the generations to come.

Booger

[nmwadam]

Originally Posted by caldwellb02

Jesus Christ. You want it fed to you on a silver platter? We are not the webmasters. We are just like you. WE DO NOT HAVE THE CONTROL OF THE WEBSITE AND CAN'T PUT THE PETITION UP FRONT.

Come on! Do YOU want to do something about this mess? Or do you just want the benefit of the experienced advice here and don't care a fig about the rest of the homeowners. If that's the case, get off of this forum.

I think you should make the petition a part of the signon process and the first thing every vistitor to this site sees, that would be productive.

[lemaudit]

Well said Booggs28.
I can tell you from personal experience after being in the press, on the radio,on TV and writing myself that it's not easy. You get chastised, insulted, and put down. Anonymous commenters torment you on articles. and forums. You get called a leech, a scumbag, and a welfare baby. They throw everything at you and tell you you're the one who signed this thing and if you didn't read it it's your fault. And, lest we forget, that you're personally to blame for the state of the economy - that's right, you. Stupid homeowners using their houses as piggybanks, with SUVs and flat screens, and gold plated bidets. You really all are a bunch of whiners wanting a reasonable interest rate on your loan - that was sarcasm by the way.

My wife and I have been at this for over a year (before Obama): Have been in the press, on TV, on the radio, been scammed, written letters to reps (state and federal), have blogged about it on my site and on a national newspaper, talked to lawyers, attended protests, testified at our state house, and gotten involved.

I discovered this forum only last month. So, really if you're not willing to fight then don't sign it, don't do anything and let the bank take your house. I can tell you, they're counting on the American people to do nothing and wait for the gov't to step in and help them. Here's a newsflash: they won't. Not until you start shouting. Not until there's a risk that they will lose their jobs.

"I don't sign petitions" is one of the most ridiculous comments I've seen. ANYWHERE!!! Don't vote then. Crawl your cowardly libertarian azz back under the covers and pull the sheets over your head until it's all over. I can't believe that there's not more outrage. You scream and people hear you. You stand out on the street corner and yell, "BofA's mother is a whore!!!" and eventually BofA comes out and asks you to keep it down.
The one thing they don't have (yet) is our vote. We proved that in the last election. What ever your political affiliation is (and I really don't care) this country still proved that the people can decide what happens here. And I can tell you, that scares the crap out them.

Please don't tell me what you think about the president, I really don't care and this isn't the place for it. Congress is in charge - always has been and the banks are in charge of them - get that straight. If you don't have the guts to speak out, you'll never ... never ... be heard.

[Slim Shavings]

While I certainly sympathize with the petition. I just began lookin it over and my first conclusions.
Here is some hard truth for you. You say it isn't political. Well it is. there were a bunch of who didn't vote for Obama and don't trust anything he endorses or says. Sheila Blair is right now in violation of the law in the way she is handling bank closures. If you really want people to sign it then it should be A-political.. I won't say i know exactly how to do that right off hand. you may find it helpful to list why you state the things you say. Give people something to compare to. Not saying anything is right or wrong. you have to remeber that you have been around a while and may understand some things others don't

And don't tell me I aint doing nothing. I do what I can to help people here. This is my first time at going through this. Even though I'm not a regular participant in the foreclosure process and am trying to figure my own out. And the fact that my participation is also else where

[lemaudit]

Did you mean Sheila Bair? What are you talking about?

[Slim Shavings]

Originally Posted by lemaudit

Did you mean Sheila Bair? What are you talking about?

Yes I'm a lousy typer
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