Old 11-04-2009, 04:26 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

Based on that article you provided regarding "analyzing the loan process"...

Deutsche Bank spokesman John Gallagher said servicers are "solely responsible" for deciding all modifications.

This guy John Gallagher is the person we NEED to direct our emails and letters to...with a copy of our thread and a copy of that article.


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Old 11-04-2009, 04:33 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

So here is one issue we are working on: whether or not the investor really has the final say-so, or whether the servicers are using them as a scapegoat for not modifying the loans.

I think this issue of the lenders role in this (whether Deutsche or not) is particularly important for many of us. Let's keep this going. The articles just posted are great.

I agree on the Gallagher guy Kathy. Let's see if we can find out how to contact him!!!
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:37 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

John Gallagher
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:29 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

Time to get to info from this guy since he said it is all the "servicer"
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

Thanks for the info

Great job
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

actually Gallagher says "rarely is a servicer" I think his statement has been msread it is actually negative for us
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

If that is the case...then it again..puts the ball back into the court of Deutsche Bank..
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

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some intersting reading on deutsche and HAMP note the part about GSE buying the loans out of MBS after trial etc.
http://www.cre.db.com/sites/default/...w_20091016.pdf
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:59 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

shuladore - I'm over my banker/broker IQ limit here (can you tell I'm not a banker or broker I'm just a lowly director of a nonprofit). What in the world does all of that mean? I mean I just learned that apparently sometime in the past few months Deutsche also bought my second loan. Why in the world would they do that?

So now they own both, with Chase as the servicer. In a way that is either easier or harder. Depends....... I guess..... I'm so confused right now. I have to read it again.
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Hey all - thank you for the information. This may be the next direction of my fight, depending on what I hear this week. I was NEVER informed that my mortgage had been sold to Deutsche. I found out after asking Chase during this mod process. Quite frankly it will reflect very badly on Chase if all of the Deutsche holdings foreclose. So there may be some motivation there. However, I am ready.I have alot of willpower. I have tried to call Deutsche before, and the answer, as Kathy said, is "call your servicer." Perhaps we need a campaign against this foreign ****roach that is ruining the American Dream.
I believe there is a law that if your loan is sold your lender must notify you in writing who it is sold to within 30 days but I do not know if there is any "teeth" in the law.
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

Hi everyone,

I’ll see if I can help clear a few things up. Deutsche Bank is a “commercial investment bank” that DOES NOT DEAL WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC, as in you and me. Basically in our case they are a holding company for massive Securitized “investment pools” that went through the slice and dice mortgage machine i.e. Asset-Backed Certificates, which are now being traded on Wall Street in the form of derivatives (credit default trades) or other paper swapping / betting games. This is where foreclosure makes money, not only for the investment pool (investors which Deutsche Bank is representing) but also for such institutions i.e. BOA/C, Chase, CITI etc. were “fees” are collected via the various agreements and servicing contracts.

By the way there are hundreds of these pools, many of which go beyond the year 2014. If you want to find out more do a Goggle search on asset-backed certificates.

Does this sound a bit, “tit-for-tat”, thus keeping the investment pool alive and well? In my opinion it’s borderline RICO! One thing we’re now and finding out through our own digging, is that the Banks doing modifications have flat out LIED to us when making any statement during our conversations that requires an “investor” approval before modification. The loan servicing bank is making these decisions depending on a contract collection fee structure that they would receive and then later pass on the “paper” (foreclosure) which would find its way back into the investment pool held by Deutsche Bank, now this crosses the RICO line.

The “lender” is a pool of investors as in a “lending pool” held in trust by Deutsche Bank i.e. Deutsche Bank National Trust Company on behalf of…..GS Mortgage Securities Corporation (who the heck is this?)…..GSAA Home Equity Trust 2005-10 Asset-Backed Certificates.

At a county foreclosure sale Deutsche Bank, Not the Trust noted above, has been known to repurchase the very same property. Only at this time DEUTSCHE BANK OWNS THE NOTE or Deed of Trust at a small pittance of actual or real property value even in todays depressed market! This is an Absolute Scandal.

Americans and our mortgages are being traded, whether we like it or not, on Wall Street. And I really, really want to caution everyone as to how heavily the Health Care Reform Bill is being pushed in DC during the very same time we’re in a fight for our lives to keep and maintain a roof over our heads. I say this because this very same Bill could be heavily SECURITIZED! Just look up that word and you’ll understand where I’m coming from.

Who got us here or to this point of implosion on our mortgages? I must ask a question before I can provide an answer, at least from my viewpoint! Does anyone think that Deutsche Bank had real and tangible assets to “lend” on its own without the needed funds from “outside investments”, as in investment pools…..and this is important…..who would need such need such a Massive Infusion of Funding?

In two(2) words…..Uncle Sam!

Think about the Community Reinvestment Act and how banking regulations were gutted over 20+ years by a number of administrations, don’t go into Democrat or Republican on me here because it’s meaningless. What is very important is, “who got into bed with whom” and in this genius of mating…..who or what would be considered as the sacrificial lamb? How about 18% of mortgage borrowers that had the financial means to secure an additional debt burden, had back-up savings accounts, felt secure in their jobs and had a good retirement fund in their 401Ks.

Look every time a loan was bundled into a security instrument or “investment pool”, remember slice and dice, our own government via authorization from the US Treasury Department to the FEDERAL RESERVE (a private banking institution) could PRINT money or “dollars” based on a dept incurred by a mortgage borrower i.e. you and me!

I don’t care where anyone gets their own News “infusion” today, Obberman, Beck, Rush, Gretta, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC and the list and cast of characters goes on…..I find most of these pundants as a planned distraction of real and factual situations.

One more thing I must add, the mortgage market sales calculators from sites such as Zillow, Cyber(sp) Homes etc. are way out of bounds on the “high side”, another tool if you will to foist “real value” fraud on property that isn’t worth the paper to wipe with in an underwater mortgage market.

Gary
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Fedup, thanks for this explanation. I continue to dig and could never have imagined any of this would happen in America.

BTW, I'd like to recommend a book I'm reading now called "The Creature (Beast) from Jekyll Island". It has helped me understand what my research means.

D--
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Fedup - thanks. And it was those same mortgage calculators that escalated the worth of the home I bought and am now underwater in. My how far? Who knows. Maybe I am better off if I just let the bank take this place. I don't know. I will pay more in taxes, that's for sure. Hey - THAT's the advantage to the IRS. Get all of us out of our homes and into rentals and we won't have the tax writeoff
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

Last time I checked Deutsche was not participating in the mod program. But Chase says Chase is participating but very few loans actually get modified.
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

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Excerpt from an August, 2009 publication:



Wells Fargo refused to provide additional information about the investor or how it works with investors. Experts say investors rarely are involved in an individual loan modification decision. "The investors are a convenient scapegoat," says Guy Cecala, publisher of Inside Mortgage Finance. "There's no way for investors to veto a loan mod."


ProPublica: Analyzing the Loan Modification Process

Wherever this quote was gotten needs to be forwarded to the Wells loanholders who have been told over and over again "the investor said NO" We need to start using their own words against them. They talk out of both sides of their mouth
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

Gary - had to look up RICO. And I'm from Chicago originally - you'd think i'd know that.

So then who really really can produce an actual note that says they own my loan in full? It's really not one entity at all. It's a pool of investors that bought a slice of my home and are letting Deutsche represent them? So when Deutsche forecloses, they really are doing it for the investors? So my home is part of a derivative pool?

Am I getting at least some of this?
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

Ok..received letter today from OneWest/Indymac Bank with what I expected it to say:

Date 10/23/09


Thank you for your recent request to modify the terms of your mortgage serviced by IndyMac Mortgage Services, a division of OneWest Bank.

On March 4, 2009 the Deparment of the Treasury launched the Home Affordable Modification Program(HAMP). The program was adopted by IndyMac Mortgages Services on August 11, 2009. By signing up for the HAMP, IndyMac Mortgage Services has agreed to follow the rules and guidelines that have been established by the United States Department of Treasury. While the program is designed to help borrowers who are expecting a financial hardship, not all borrowers will meet the eligibility qualifications established by the Department of the Treasury, and therefore, not all borrowers are eligible for a HAMP modification.(not comes the juciy part)

In reviewing your loan for a possible modification(now it has been almost a year), we have determined that your loan does not qualify for a HAMP due to OUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGIATIONS WITH THE OWNER OF YOUR LOAN. IndyMac Services performs loan servicing for numerous different owners and in each case, a SERVICING AGREEMENT with the OWNER of the LOAN GOVERNS OUR ACTIONS. HAMP REQUIRES the servicer to comply with the terms of THEIR SERVICING CONTRACT WITH THE OWNER OF THE LOAN(so bascially HAMP is there to hurt you not help you). This REQUIREMENT prohibits us for modifying your loan at this time.

We are prepared to discuss alternatives to foreclosure and work with you to find the option that works best for you. We also strongly encourage you to consult with a HUD approved housing counselor to discuss potential alternatives for reducing expenses not related to your primary mortgage(so they want me to replace one useless law like HAMP with a another useless goverment agency!) HUD approved housing counselors can be reached at 1-800-280-6194.

We regret that we are unable to modify the terms of your loan(love this part coming up), but are interested in working with you to determine if there are any further alternatives to foreclosure tha best fit your circumstances. We encourage you to call us at 1.888.280.6194 to discuss possible PARTICIPATION in our short sale or CASH FOR KEYS(oh wow how generous of them!..so I guess they can pay me from my tax dollars that bailed them out!) PROGRAM.

Sincerely,

Brandon Latman
First Vice President
IndyMac Mortgage Services

OK..so..this should leave no doubt..its Deutsche Bank pulling to strings with a air tight contract that HAMP says they must OBEY..so folks..the US government and OBAMA just screwed you! They created a program that leaves room for the lender to have a exit strategy...Thank you to all those that voted for our wonderful representatives in congress and the idiot, running the country, who now is making MILLIONS of AMERICANS lose their homes with his HAMP program!
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

Send that juicy letter to whoever governs IndyMac, and to your senators and congressmen (I know you may not have voted for them who cares) and to your State Attorney General and anyone else you can. the only way we can change this is to show what is happening out here AND MAKE SOME NOISE!

Oh and don't forget Mr. Gallagher from Deutsche!
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Thank you to all those that voted for our wonderful representatives in congress and the idiot, running the country, who now is making MILLIONS of AMERICANS lose their homes with his HAMP program!
While I understand your frustration, don't you think you are pushing it a bit too far?
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

Where ever you first went to apply for the original loan and who did the actual closure of the original loan has to give written evidence of who they sold or transferred your loan to. The bank who would pursue you in a foreclosure, has to have the written transfer of the loan from the original banker, or they have no case. Also the transfer has to occur before initiation of a foreclosure or again the foreclosure is not valid.
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My loan was with Long Beach Mortgage and they clearly state in the documents that they intended to sell it to WaMu. there is nothing about a further sale, and I went to the County Recorder's office to get a certified copy of the deed last week and as far as our County Recorder knows, Long Beach is still the owner (though it does say they intended to sell it). There is no notice of sale to WaMu, and certainly nothing about Deutsche. when WaMu sold it to Deutsche or if there was someone in between I do not know. I think in the past few months Deutsche also bought my second. I think what Chase is doing with all the mail being sent is putting it in writing who owns the loans - now - before they foreclose.
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While I understand your frustration, don't you think you are pushing it a bit too far?


MyHamp..the frustration is that so many Americans were fooled into believing that voting for this new president was going to mean change(I did not vote for him)..change from the same old nonsense..change from being told about weapons of mass destruction that never existed, change of bailing out the "Harvard Mafia of Wall Street" with billions of dollars, change of a "millions of job created for Americans" that never happened and we have over 10% unemployment and rising...instead we are again handed a line by our president that million of homeowner will be saved by the HAMP..yet here I stand with a letter in my hand stating that it is because of them following the law of HAMP that they have a "get out of jail card" to NOT modify the loans..seems to me they(meaning the servicers knew this would come about from the housing market crashing and prepared themselves for it)...once again the average American has been made a fool of to benefit the rich and powerful..sorry for the rant but I told the truth from the letter I posted here..so the answer is that as the thread stands, "Deutsche Bank as the lender" there is NO HOPE of getting a loan modification....period...
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Where ever you first went to apply for the original loan and who did the actual closure of the original loan has to give written evidence of who they sold or transferred your loan to. The bank who would pursue you in a foreclosure, has to have the written transfer of the loan from the original banker, or they have no case. Also the transfer has to occur before initiation of a foreclosure or again the foreclosure is not valid.
My question here would be, how does this play into the "slice and dice" scheme of things? I ask because I found something on my Note that is off by lets say four(4) years.

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actually Gallagher says "rarely is a servicer" I think his statement has been msread it is actually negative for us
Shuladore: Where are you quoting that from? I have reread the article in question and I am not seeing what you quoted. Are we referring to the same article at ProPublica: Analyzing the Loan Modification Process

Spokesman Kevin Waetke says Wells Fargo is working with "the investor" to come up with a solution for the Harrises, but both Goldman Sachs (the issuer) and Deutsche Bank (the trustee) told ProPublica that they were not involved. Deutsche Bank spokesman John Gallagher said servicers are "solely responsible" for deciding all modifications.
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Old 11-08-2009, 01:13 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Re: Deutsche Bank as the lender

Of course they are "soley responsible." If the lender wants to modify a loan that they know Deutsche will penalize them for because of their agreement, that is their responsibility. It is all spin.
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