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Short refinance? What is this?

Hi again...no one commented on my earlier post- 1st with BOA and 2nd with GMAC. Need some advice please.

After 2 denials from GMAC for a mod. I used this great forum to get an email address for someone in authority at GMAC. I emailed Peggy Slattery and got a response right away. She had my file assigned to someone in the portfolio dept. and I was contact today by a VERY competant person who is submitting my file to the investor, however he said that his investor is not typically receptive to doing mods. He suggested a "short refinance".

1st - does anyone have info on this. It was never suggested to me by anyone before. I know that it's an FHA program, but more than that, I can't say.

2nd - what are the qualifications, good points and bad points?

Am I just getting my hopes up again? Should I continue pursuing a mod? I'm not in default yet, not even late, but I will be soon. UGH!

Someone please post. I need some direction. Thanks!


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Old 10-10-2009, 07:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Short refinance? What is this?

Ah, good to see that I'm not the only one who has entised by this strange, new vocabulary, and moreover that it's being thrown around by GMAC.

I'm current and always have been current on payments for three years, but I was seeking primarily to throw a co-signer who had moved out of the property off the deed, along with two rather shaky 7/1 ARM (260k) and HELOC (65k) mortgages. So I called GMAC Mortgage's (soon to be Ally Bank, apparently) refinance division back in late July to see what my options were.

You know, just procuring a fixed rate these days would have been perfectly fine with me. I'm around $60k underwater at the moment, but I have every intention of staying put. Instead, the loan officer at GMAC suggested a short refinance, since that $60k I'm underwater corresponds pretty well to the $65k HELOC which happens to be owned by GMAC. A forbearance on that 2nd loan then would be me well within the parameters (105% loan-to-value, no more than 31% of your earnings headed to the mortgagee, etc.) for a fixed-rate FHA loan at a great rate.

So, the way it was explained to me: an FHA loan requires paying PMI until you reach a 78-80% loan-to-value ratio, so that can be hanging for a few years.

Because a short refinance involves a relief of a good chunk of debt, you're responsible for any taxes associated with that amount, but I was pointed to a corresponding tax break available for homeowners receiving debt relief... Homeowners Whose Debt is Forgiven Under Treasury's ?Making Home Affordable? Initiative may be Entitled to Tax Relief - Thomson Reuters

Another sour point from a short refi I was warned of is a possible hit to your credit score for the forgiveness of debt.

Despite all that, I decided to go ahead with the short refi application, because it'd still translate to a fair fixed rate and a pretty significant $300 off my monthly mortgage bill.

Everything was going smoothly until a month later, when I got a call from the loan officer, saying that, in order for the short refi to go through, I also have to fill out GMAC's Financial Analysis Form and see if their loan modification department can do something for me using that route first. So I did that, submitted all the documentation, and I've been waiting for a decision from loan modification ever since, replete with cryptic form letters, mysterious calls from upstate New York, and general incompetence. Meanwhile, the rate lock for the short refi has passed.

Judging from the stories and anecdotes about GMAC loan modification elsewhere in these forums and around the Internet, I'm not holding out much hope for that process, and it appears that, if you do in fact qualify for what they call a short refi, the best thing is to do everything in your power to procure a solid denial from GMAC loan modification. So, in short, you appear to be ahead of the curve with a denial from Loan Modification, but I would definitely seek better advice than I could ever possibly provide about the legitimacy/wonkiness of a short refinance.
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Re: Short refinance? What is this?

Ah, good to see that I'm not the only one who has entised by this strange, new vocabulary, and moreover that it's being thrown around by GMAC.

I'm current and always have been current on payments for three years, but I was seeking primarily to throw a co-signer who had moved out of the property off the deed, along with two rather shaky 7/1 ARM (260k) and HELOC (65k) mortgages. So I called GMAC Mortgage's (soon to be Ally Bank, apparently) refinance division back in late July to see what my options were.

You know, just procuring a fixed rate these days would have been perfectly fine with me. I'm around $60k underwater at the moment, but I have every intention of staying put. Instead, the loan officer at GMAC suggested a short refinance, since that $60k I'm underwater corresponds pretty well to the $65k HELOC which happens to be owned by GMAC. A forbearance on that 2nd loan then would be me well within the parameters (105% loan-to-value, no more than 31% of your earnings headed to the mortgagee, etc.) for a fixed-rate FHA loan at a great rate.

So, the way it was explained to me: an FHA loan requires paying PMI until you reach a 78-80% loan-to-value ratio, so that can be hanging for a few years.

Because a short refinance involves a relief of a good chunk of debt, you're responsible for any taxes associated with that amount, but I was pointed to a corresponding tax break available for homeowners receiving debt relief... Homeowners Whose Debt is Forgiven Under Treasury's ?Making Home Affordable? Initiative may be Entitled to Tax Relief - Thomson Reuters

Another sour point from a short refi I was warned of is a possible hit to your credit score for the forgiveness of debt.

Despite all that, I decided to go ahead with the short refi application, because it'd still translate to a fair fixed rate and a pretty significant $300 off my monthly mortgage bill.

Everything was going smoothly until a month later, when I got a call from the loan officer, saying that, in order for the short refi to go through, I also have to fill out GMAC's Financial Analysis Form and see if their loan modification department can do something for me using that route first. So I did that, submitted all the documentation, and I've been waiting for a decision from loan modification ever since, replete with cryptic form letters, mysterious calls from upstate New York about needing things I hard already submitted, and general incompetence. Meanwhile, the rate lock for the short refi has passed.

Judging from the stories and anecdotes about GMAC loan modification elsewhere in these forums and around the Internet, I'm not holding out much hope for that process, and it appears that, if you do in fact qualify for what they call a short refi, the best thing is to do everything in your power to procure a solid denial from GMAC loan modification. So, in short, you appear to be ahead of the curve with a denial from Loan Modification, but I would definitely seek better advice than I could ever possibly provide about the legitimacy/wonkiness of a short refinance.
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Re: Short refinance? What is this?

Thanks for replying. After I posted, I did more research. It turns out that the program is basically a failure, and lenders are not really doing them.

The reasons are: 1. As you stated, the possible tax liability on the borrower, 2. The 2nd mortgage holders, in almost all cases, are taking a hit of 80 to 100% in debt forgiveness and there is absolutely no incentives for them to do so. There is a payout to that lender from the US Treasury, but it is not usually for the whole amount of the shortfall. It is also not mandatory that they participate, so why would they. 3. Part of the guidline of the program is a "recapture" if you sell the property within 5 years and realize a profit. Part of that profit would go to FHA...nothing goes back to the lender who took the original hit. I don't really care about the 5 year thing, because I too am not going anywhere, but you never know what else life is going to throw at you. I don't think it will happen, but what if the market ticks back up significantly?

I'm afraid I can't offer any encouragement when it comes to a mod. with GMAC. They are either completely incompetant or they are really not interested in doing them.

I submitted my first application on 6/30/09, I called after 4 weeks and was told that they take 60 days to review...so I waited. Called back after 60 days and was told that it was still being reviewed. Called back a week later and was told that (coincidentally) the day of my last call, I was denied. Seems that they used my WEEKLY income instead of my MONTHLY income (even though they had paystubs and tax returns.). After fighting with the CS rep for 30 minutes, she told me that I had to fax everything again, with a cover sheet that states that it is being re-sent because of income correction, and within 15 days, I would hear from them. I called after 15 days and was told that I was once again denied, this time because, even though I have a shortfall of almost $400 per month, they feel that I can still make the payments.

I was raging mad, so I sent an email to Peggy Slattery at GMAC (I'll list all her info below) and received a response within 24 hours. She got me to a loss mitigation specialist and he is submitting everything to the investor. He was not really encouraging.

In the meantime, I did more reseach on Chapter 13 Bankruptcy. I don't want to do this, but I may not have a choice since my lenders are not willing to help. In a CH. 13, if the ENTIRE balance owed on the 2nd is OVER the value of the property, it can be "cramed down" and it becomes unsecured and therefore dischargeable. The important thing is it must be the ENTIRE balance, or else you can't do it, because the courts have held that if any portion of the balance is still under the value, the entire balance is considered secured and therefore falls under the "antimodification" law and the courts can't touch it. Ex. 1st mortgage balance is $175,000.00, 2nd mortgage balance is $44,000.00, the property value is $174,000, the entire bal. of the 2nd is over the value and therefore not secured by any equity.

This, by the way, applies only to primary residence. Congress, in their infinite wisdom, applied the anitmod law to primary residences, but it has been overturned on appeal in almost every state, but is must be the whole amount is over the value. If this is an investment property, you can cram down anything over the value and it becomes unsecured. AMAZING!!!

Anyway, thanks again for responding and here is the info for Peggy Slattery. If you don't hear anything on your mod, send her an email.

Peggy.slattery@gmacrescap.com

Peggy Slattery
Director
Legal & Bankruptcy Loss Mitigation
GMACRescap
Tel - (214) 874-6996
Fax #: 1-866-535-9471
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