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We Need Congress per Major Law Firm Discussion

I just got very bad news from my discussions with a major law firm, a Senator and my Congressperson.

We need Congress involved fast.

There is NO ENFORCEMENT provision in the Treasury/Fannie/HFA "directives" or "mandates"

The banks can ignore all the guidelines and there is nothing we can do about it. We are totally at the mercy of the servicers per law firm.

Senator and Congress office agrees only more legislation or another moratorium on foreclose sales can help some of us if the servicers choose not to modify since they get more fees when they sell the property. It is especially bad in non judicial states like AZ.

I am doing all I can at local and national congress / Senator offices but we need as many folks as possible calling to point out the problem and try and get something done by someone.

More details which Washington Needs us to complain about:

Many folks all over the U.S. who qualify are being rejected and homes sold even within days after being told foreclosure sales would be delayed. Foreclosure notices are being sent at the same time the homeowner is frantically been trying to stop it with in my case, and many others submitting documents for the HAMP Plan (and mortgage owned by Fannie Mae) and being told not to worry and wait until contacted by a "processor" Instead they send a foreclosure notice.

If the servicer determines you are not eligible for a modification, it does not have to give any reason and can the next day sell your home with no notice, no time to take any action in a non-judicial foreclosure like typical in AZ, once the original 90 days has past.

On 9/11/09 National Consumer Law center said ""Participating servicers violate the HAMP guidelines by selling homes at foreclosure while homeowners are negotiating loan modifications, requiring waivers of homeowner rights, and refusing to offer HAMP modifications to qualified borrowers. Lack of transparency in the application, review and turn down process exacerbates these problems."

Attorney Jeff Barens warns about this in article of 9/11/09 “BEWARE THE “END-RUN” (SNEAK) FORECLOSURE” article at www.foreclosureDefensenationwide.com It reports the widespread practice of servers telling customers not to worry about the foreclosure notice, messes up the paper work and trustee sale is completed!

I have had a six month battle with CitiMortgage with lies, screwed up paperwork and at their mercy to not do a no notice instant sale upon their whim, when I should easily quality for a HAMP modification and have been approved twice.

There are many frantic people like me that will do anything to keep our homes, not even looking for principle reduction just the 31% of income mortgage under HAMP where we pass the Net Present Value test showing it is better to modify than a foreclosure sale. But many servicers are selling our homes without notice anyway.

I have 9 pages of documented notes call by call in my six month battle with CitiMortgage to save my home showing the lies and failure to meet the Fannie Mae and HAMP directives. Even my Hope for Homeowners escalation team person is running into the same brick walls and going around in circles with them trying to help me.

That is why the great HAMP program is not working. Servicers are starting mods but not approving them in the end. They are hiring lots of staff to contact folks to get them into mods, but not enough people to actually solve problems and get those that successfully complete the trial period approved.

Remember the servicers do not own the mortgages, they get fees for foreclosure sales more than the modification incentive.

Many mortgage holders are getting back the properties but holding them off the market so they don't have to recognize the loss on sale and delay these losses as long as possible.

See all the problems from thosands of frantic owners for example at the forum at www.loansafe.org and many other forums and blogs.


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Yes this is true been going on since 2007, thats why I pay mortgage 1st others last, sucks and Citi tried me to pay half payments I said no way then in 6 months you want back pay or take my Home...Hahahah they are so Silly, and think people are all Stupid...NOT
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Dave - yes it's nuts and yes we need to get Congress involved but guess what - thay are SLOOOOOOOW. When Moe led the B of A challenge it got the banks attention as well as a bit of media attention. Here's a thought: When we send the Chase e-mails on Monday, send copies of the e-mails to the media and to senators, congressmen, etc. Every time we do a swoosh on a bank, send the e-mails to these people as well. In the meantime, make sure your congressman/woman and Senators are aware of every block the banks put in your way. And you're right - document, document, document.
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Re: We Need Congress per Major Law Firm Discussion

Despite Moe's distrust of media, I agree media can be very helpful and we should also contact them.

But to get Congress to act even slowly in my view it has to be a national problem not just a Chase, BofA, Citimortgage,etc.

From the zillions of posts here and on other places it is clear overall servicers are not following the directives.

I don't think there is any indication here of any particular servicer that is easy to work with and makes mods according to the rules.

Most of use are told if we make the trial payments on time and the income we initially gave is supported, there should not be any problem. My Citi person said that very directly. But we all know it isn't happening.

In order to get on the trial period to start with they are suppose to run the Net Present Value test which is the only other real issue under the directives and in my case I have been told I passed the test fine. So if you are on the trial you should have already passed the test if they follow the directives.

But we know they are not and lots of mods are not being finalized, only a few it seems are for some lucky folks.
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The only Media not owned by the Banks is FOX Network all the other US media is Banker owned
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    [QUOTE=SillyWorld;128328]The only Media not owned by the Banks is FOX Network all the other US media is Banker owned
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    I tried them too many times but not a reply maybe you can do better[/QUOTE
    Probably not but I am going to try. I have reworked my post slightly and will send to every media outlet I can find. I even promote this forum. So far I have:

    Many More Homeowners to Lose Homes - the story not reported yet

    As an attorney at a major Phoenix law firm explained to me, there is NO ENFORCEMENT provision in the Treasury/Fannie/HFA "directives" or "mandates" for the Home Affordability Program. While folks are getting trial modifications few are being given modifications even when timely trial payments made and qualify under the Net Present Value (NPV) test.

    The banks can ignore all the guidelines and there is nothing we can do about it. We are totally at the mercy of the servicers per the law firm I talked with.

    My Senators (McCain/Kyle) and Representative's local office agrees that only more legislation or another moratorium on foreclose sales can help some of us if the servicers choose not to modify since they get more fees when they sell the property. It is especially bad in non judicial states like AZ.

    More details that Washington Needs to hear and media report on:

    Many folks all over the U.S. who qualify are being rejected and homes sold even within days after being told foreclosure sales would be delayed. Foreclosure notices are being sent at the same time the homeowner is frantically been trying to stop it. In my case, and many others we submit required documents for the HAMP Plan (and mortgage owned by Fannie Mae) and being told not to worry and wait until contacted by a "processor." Instead they send a foreclosure notice.

    If the servicer determines you are not eligible for a modification, it does not have to give any reason and can the next day sell your home with no notice, no time to take any action in a non-judicial foreclosure like typical in AZ, once the original 90 days has past.

    On 9/11/09 National Consumer Law center said ""Participating servicers violate the HAMP guidelines by selling homes at foreclosure while homeowners are negotiating loan modifications, requiring waivers of homeowner rights, and refusing to offer HAMP modifications to qualified borrowers. Lack of transparency in the application, review and turn down process exacerbates these problems."

    Attorney Jeff Barens warns about this in article of 9/11/09 “BEWARE THE “END-RUN” (SNEAK) FORECLOSURE” article at Foreclosure Defense Nationwide - Mortgage Foreclosure Help - Free Advice It reports the widespread practice of servers telling customers not to worry about the foreclosure notice, messes up the paper work and trustee sale is completed!

    I have had a six month battle with CitiMortgage with lies, screwed up paperwork and at their mercy to not do a no notice instant sale upon their whim, when I should easily quality for a HAMP modification and have been approved twice.

    There are many frantic people like me that will do anything to keep our homes. We are not even looking for principle reduction just the 31% of income mortgage under HAMP where we pass the Net Present Value test showing it is better to modify than a foreclosure sale. But many servicers are selling our homes without notice anyway.

    I have 9 pages of documented notes call by call in my six month battle with CitiMortgage to save my home showing the lies and failure to meet the Fannie Mae and HAMP directives. Even my Hope for Homeowners escalation team person is running into the same brick walls and going around in circles with them trying to help me.

    That is why the great in design, HAMP program is not working in real life. Servicers are starting mods but not approving them in the end. They are hiring lots of staff to contact folks to get them into mods, but not enough people to actually solve problems and get those that successfully complete the trial period approved.

    The servicers seldom own the mortgages. They get fees for foreclosure sales more than the modification incentive.

    Many mortgage holders are getting back the properties but holding them off the market so they don't have to recognize the loss on sale and delay these losses as long as possible.

    See all the problems from thousands of frantic owners for example at the forum at Home Loan Forum - LoanSafe.org and many other forums and blogs.
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    So we are screwed totaly
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    So we are screwed totaly
    No just at the mercy of the servicer. The more the public outrage the better and hopefully Congress will hear our screams.

    Some lucky folks are getting permanent modifications but they seem to be the lucky few so far....
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    I have send my "media" e-mail to the following, without any great expectations of any replies but am trying!

    newsmanager@foxnews.com

    ABC- can't find a news contact so searched blog entries for foreclosure stories. Nightline's Vicki Mabrey, has done many critical foreclosure reports. However after long time seraching can not find an e-mail address other than being on Twitter.

    CBS - have to pick a show so did CBS evening news message at
    CBSNews.com Feedback

    MSNBC - FirstPerson: Are you on the scene? - FirstPerson- msnbc.com
    While they probably get thousands a day this is one of the best layed out sites. They say:

    Submissions are reviewed by MSNBC.com and/or NBC News editorial and published or broadcasted at its discretion.

    At least it implies someone looks at it. They have a 3000 word limit but my long message seems to have fit!
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    Dave: go to www.rense.com/mediacontact you will a great list that I think may help.



    I am in the process of putting material together to send out - since there are quite a few it's gonna take me a bit, but I do hope to have it done by Monday, Tuesday at the latest.



    If I come across other that I believe may be helpful I will post them as I can.



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    Yes this is true been going on since 2007, thats why I pay mortgage 1st others last, sucks and Citi tried me to pay half payments I said no way then in 6 months you want back pay or take my Home...Hahahah they are so Silly, and think people are all Stupid...NOT
    Hey Silly. I believe the half payments you are referring to are a wolf in sheep's clothing called forbearance.
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    Dave - yes it's nuts and yes we need to get Congress involved but guess what - thay are SLOOOOOOOW. When Moe led the B of A challenge it got the banks attention as well as a bit of media attention. Here's a thought: When we send the Chase e-mails on Monday, send copies of the e-mails to the media and to senators, congressmen, etc. Every time we do a swoosh on a bank, send the e-mails to these people as well. In the meantime, make sure your congressman/woman and Senators are aware of every block the banks put in your way. And you're right - document, document, document.
    I agree. I have sent a fax and/or email to my state senators every day. The banks' unwillingness to participate in this program must be exposed. I have read the fannie mae servicing guidelines. There are too many "mays" included in what the bank can do instead of "MUST"! I have also realized that there is no oversight so there will be no enforcement.
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    ATTENTION TEXAS RESIDENTS
    Here are contacts for our congress people and senators. I will post the letter I will be sending to these people. In addition, I will be calling these people EVERY DAY until they make a difference. Will you please join me in my attempt to convince our representatives that the legislation needs to change?

    Texas in the 111th Congress (1st Session)
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    boogs - tried your link, but keep getting "page cannot be displayed." Can you recheck? Thanks.
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