Who owns Fox News?

[otisanddinga]

garry,

You have a lot of nerve!!! You seem to have labeled me as someone who doesn't care. I do... want.Who's saying things are good! I'm not rich but I was a business major and Economics 101 could explain why obamas stimulus hasn't worked. he needs to concentrate on the housing crisis first. Wouldn't you all agree to that??? I agree healthcare needs reform but complete overhall?? It's like tearing down the entire house to add a second story. It would be one thing if the math was correct.I want to hear the details. It's like signing an open contract to purchase another toxic mortgage. I spoke to my doctor who employees 85 people. with this new plan he will be losing money and guess what happens to his 85 employees. I wasn't being an elitist but a realist! You can keep praising Obama but I feel his policies are what's currently keeping the economy down. The rich aren't spending and they're the only one's with money right now. That's my point. I'm sorry it angers you all but it's the truth. Just wish I was rich or at least hung out w/them, irishgirl...

[Garry]

I metioned this in another post as a joke "U.S Citizens Free Swap Agreement" it's people like you Otis, that make this not so funny. I bet it would go Viral in the blink of an eye with a couple vids on You-Tube, then us regular people can come to your town and move in "FREE". I bet life wouldn't be so grand then.

[otisanddinga]

irishgirl,

you're also ignorant, self-righteous and obviously insecure to add.you either need attention, guiness or something to occupy your time. just pure nasteeee and mean.you're opinion is not the only one, despite what you think.you win, go argue with yourself....

[MyHAMP]

I was born in this country but grew up in Germany so when we moved back to the States, one of the first things I had to do was to "adjust" to the media. I thought I had to decide between CNN (IMO, very well balanced) and FOX (as far right as it gets). I ended up watching CNN most of the time. Then - all of a sudden - I stumbled over MSNBC (left from the center). Now, I'm switching between MSNBC and CNN.

Now, there is a difference between MSNBC and FOX on how they are reporting. Fox makes an accusation or an argument against the liberals and moves to the next topic. MSNBC makes an accusation against the republicans and delivers proof and a background-story before they move on. When Fox is trying to make a point, they put 3-4 republicans behind a table. Their discussion (and agreement) is their proof that they are right. I can only say "Thanks - but no thanks" to that kind of journalism. MSNBC and CNN back up their claims and reports with facts - at least most of the time.

That's how I see it...

[otisanddinga]

garry,

My suggestion, read a book!

[Garry]

garry,

My suggestion, read a book!

I don't have time for that, I'm to busy consuming my life trying to save my home because of people like you.

[Irish Gal]

irishgirl,

you're also ignorant, self-righteous and obviously insecure to add.you either need attention, guiness or something to occupy your time. just pure nasteeee and mean.you're opinion is not the only one, despite what you think.you win, go argue with yourself....

Otie,

Nice to hear from you, again. I thought you were off being the important, busy man that you apparently are. Guess not. Otie can dish it out, but Otie can’t seem to take it. Only knows how to name call and attack others who he disagrees with or dislikes. Not good, Otie. Otie also reduces himself to ethnic stereotyping of others, when angry. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Thank you Otie for (finally) being real and showing who you really are. I knew who you really are. But, you just confirmed it. Lot o' hate, there, Otie. Lot o' hate, there. Good night, sir.

[davephx]

My husband works about 40 hours a week. His gross pay is 8,732 a month. We see 6,000 of that. $185 is for insurance and the rest is taxes we pay.We pay sooooo much in taxes. Federal, state, and local. He even has to pay tax where he works because it is in a different county. We are penalized for having a decent income. The harder you work, the more taxes you pay. We probably will never see all the money we have put in for Social Security. It will be gone by then!

Here comes old Dave to just point out a few things..ah nicely I hope.

1) In my view you pay your fair share. My gripe is more on the absurd multi-million salaries that are only taxed Federal at 35% (only on the amount of taxable over $372.950)

I think the tax rates should be more progressive like they use to be for the very high incomes for those that have benefited the most from our capitalist system.

I believe in high compensation for those that earn it. But like most here, not some Wall Street and investment bankers who earn it by taking huge risks and than get bailed out.

But at some point when in millions only paying 35% on anything over $372,950 no matter how high may be unfair.

Your paying an average rate of about 31% but that includes social security since your under the max and local.

Your federal highest tax marginal rate is probably 25% or less and average lower ..

If you lived in most of Europe/Canada and moved here you would have been thrilled to pay so little in taxes! And in many countries a VAT tax on everything you buy.

If you are paying a foreign tax assume someone works outside the U.S. it probably doesn't add anything to tax burden since you probably get a foreign tax credit on U.S. return.

Back before the Regan tax cuts mostly for the wealthy you would be lucky since your earned income above $52,000 would ONLY be taxed at the max tax rate of 50% since unearned income taxed up to 70%. This is more in line with many countries today.

Not in any way attacking your situation, just pointing out some factors I think are important since in the U.S. the wealthy enjoy some of the lowest tax rates in the world and tax rates are near historic lows at the same time we have the highest deficits since the 1950's.

[Garry]

I was born in this country but grew up in Germany so when we moved back to the States, one of the first things I had to do was to "adjust" to the media. I thought I had to decide between CNN (IMO, very well balanced) and FOX (as far right as it gets). I ended up watching CNN most of the time. Then - all of a sudden - I stumbled over MSNBC (left from the center). Now, I'm switching between MSNBC and CNN.

Now, there is a difference between MSNBC and FOX on how they are reporting. Fox makes an accusation or an argument against the liberals and moves to the next topic. MSNBC makes an accusation against the republicans and delivers proof and a background-story before they move on. When Fox is trying to make a point, they put 3-4 republicans behind a table. Their discussion (and agreement) is their proof that they are right. I can only say "Thanks - but no thanks" to that kind of journalism. MSNBC and CNN back up their claims and reports with facts - at least most of the time.

That's how I see it...

I have problems with all of them, just like Moe is saying, But Fox gets me sick.

[Garry]

If your going to brain wash the regular people Fox, to benefit your million dollar plus club, at least tell the truth. Oh, I forgot, you can't, that would let the c*t out of the bag.

[davephx]

I'm switching between MSNBC and CNN.

It also depends on the show. I tape CNN Situation Room 3 hours and scan it. To me very balanced especially discussions where both sides are usually equally represented.

Jack Cafferty can be strongly opinionated but in a colorful way.

Wolf seems very well balanced.

Also the Sunday Morning talk shows ABC, NBC, CBS I find very balanced since both guests and their commentators are from both sides of most issues.

[Garry]

CNN seems to take little stabs trying to guide us one way, usually with an of the wall small comment, and appear to be neutral while doing it. The problem is, the way they lean, is not a direction I'm going to go. But I do switch between them and MSNBC, and on rare occasion Fox, just to see if they have changed their ways and have something nice to say about the new President. Same old shit every time, isn't going to happen. They are just hell bent on destroying the country trying keep what's left of the R-party so maybe they can win an election in a thousand years or so. Isn't going to happen FOX, people have gotten smarter. You can have the regular people you prey upon for your Million Dollar Plus Club, their a minority now and dieing.

[Garry]

Does anyone really wonder why our educational system is so screwed up? They want to keep us stupid because the more we learn, the more we see through them, and that's a scary thought.

[SillyWorld]

Does anyone really wonder why our educational system is so screwed up? They want to keep us stupid because the more we learn, the more we see through them, and that's a scary thought.

Just like now they have the Peeps singing Oboma songs, in Kindergarten and now even in High School's they sing Yes we can songs Anyone that thinks this is a good thing should bury there head in the sand for 10 years

[Garry]

I think I'm on a role tonight!

[Garry]

Just like now they have the Peeps singing Oboma songs, in Kindergarten and now even in High School's they sing Yes we can songs Anyone that thinks this is a good thing should bury there head in the sand for 10 years

Here's the thing SillyWord, Yes we really can bring Change, I hope they keep on singing!

[SillyWorld]

We Mise well say Zallute Ze Commadon

[Garry]

Here's the thing SillyWord, Yes we really can bring Change, I hope they keep on singing!

I'm sure the R-party will try and put a stop to this, Who wants to see a happy kid running around singing about a better tomorrow?

[SillyWorld]

Only if it were so True, but things do not look better all

[Garry]

Only if it were so True, but things do not look better all

Things are Changing, you just refuse to see it. What you're looking for is a miracle, and that kind of Change will take time.

[SillyWorld]

They need a new City, I would never waist $$ to live below sea level

[AZOwner]

The Prez is not the root of all evil. Nor is he the savior.

The issue is with overall government. Thank you for the lists . . . good reading.

In this forum you encounter all levels of professionals, stay-at-home moms and dads, and all levels of education. One thing that you can count on is that we are all VERY passionate about saving our homes.

There is a tremendous amount of suffering going on, and each of us have our story about how hard we are working. As with everything, our individual defination of working hard may differ! None-the-less, we have a commonality.

We need to become more in tune with what is happenning outside of our own, individual, situations, and take a look at the bigger picture.

Reinforce, no one media outlet has the REAL story -- it lies somewhere inbetween them all. Every opinion is valuable as it adds to our ability to THINK through, critically, and form an education opinion, or make an educated decision.

Those that challenge our beliefs should be those that we respect the most. They inspire THOUGHT and a recognition, perhaps, that we have a long way to go to educate others and continue to educate ourselves.

We are all people, some more sensitive and suffering more than others. Please, let's try not to lose focus on that, very basic thought.

Everyone here is fantastic, and deserving of some level of respect. We don't have to like the words or the actions, but let's not lose the respect.

Caldwell and Gary, you are fantastic and very valuable members to this forum. Thank you for your opinions and for encouraging further education here.

Otis - I get your bigger point, and I will choose not to respond to comments that I find offensive (today because I'm feeling strong!); but I do appreciate the opportunity to pause and be critical of the things I don't agree with and why. It builds my case, as an individual contributor, and solidifies my arguments. I do value your posts too. . .

Happy Friday, all. Peace and Grace!

[otisanddinga]

Thanks AZ,

I was trying to get people to"think out of the box" mentality. I believe their hatred and personal attacks shows their character. I'm being labeled for being something I'm not.Next I'll be a racist.

As Moe said, most Americans are center right when it comes to running this country. So they hate most of America. They are the one's destroying this country. Probably the one's with 100% financing on their mortgages too. They are indignant, miserable beings with no valid solutions. These people are the most close minded, hateful people on this site. Actually, I feel sorry for them....

[caldwell02]

I'm listening to CNN as I write this. CNN is saying right now that Ken Lewis is paying back his $1.something million salary this year. No comment on his golden parachute (53bILL)

John Mack, CEO of Morgan Stanley is now saying he 'wants to make sure compensation is focused more long term. CEO of Goldman Sachs says we'll have to get the compensation system more aligned... the system we had was pretty good.... there is obviously room for changes.... but the incentive system works.... he says the failure of risk management was the problem in these past years."

So that was almost word for word what CNN gives us on the issue of executive compensation for banks still with TARP. Cut then to a newspiece about what kind of hairstyle people want.

Ridiculous. That's why we also have to surf .... the tv, the net, the written news... npr.... democracy now..... all of the above. Bill Morrow on Fri. nights, the Sunday morning news shows. I surf my media.

Otis - I wasn't labeling you.I was responding to your opinion. If you feel labeled, have at it. If you rant racist rhetoric here, you will get blasted back by me.

And the part about "hatred" ----if you were talking about me - I don't hate you. Maybe I would if I knew you, but I doubt it. I might avoid you. I hate the opinion you expressed. BIG difference, and if you don't understand that it's too bad, because that means you personalize any opinion contrary to yours and that's why we have Rush and all the rest spouting their rhetoric. They are personalizing this. Remember Glen Beck's rant? Take a breath buddy. I've thought the same about Amy goodman and have turned off the radio as I'm driving to work because she is so strident it's unacceptable.

Case in point here on this forum - I personalized what you said and got REALLY mad. It hit me hard. So I ranted. I'm not excusing it, and I did apologize for it - it's just what happens when we take these things into ourselves and see them as a personal attack.

We are all over the map in this forum and we are linked by the need to save our homes. If anything is going to change in this country it can't come from just the left or just the right or just the middle. It will come from people who can listen to each other, agree to disagree, have some arguments, but in the end BE COMMITTED AND BE TRUTHFUL so that we can all set this new direction together.

And one more thing - I've only encountered one hateful person on this site. Sometimes i REALLY disagree with someone, but that doesn't make them hateful. Sometimes one of us will go off and write something stupid, but they usually come back and acknowledge that. Quite frankly I havent' really seen you acknowledge that what you said might have been a bit "off", and I don't believe you were simply trying to "get people to think outside of the box." My gut says there is something else - but I'm ready to be proven wrong. Only time will gell.

There are stressed people here and there are people with differing opinions. If they keep coming back for more that is a good thing, because maybe we have a chance to restructure ALL of our opinions into a vision of what life should be like here in the US for everyone and from that point we are Golden.

[Maurice Bedard]

Thanks for all your comments and I understand how people get frustrated here.

I posted several links, videos with Ex-Fox producers, journalist and media experts that concluded beyond a reasonable doubt that Rupert Murdoch and his media empire known as News Corp with brands like Fox News and Wall Street Journal are nothing more than propaganda machines.

Fox News is probably the biggest and MOST BLATANT example of modern day propaganda that our world has EVER seen.

Don't believe me, watch this crap.

http://www.outfoxed.org/ Carl Cameron's of Fox News pre-interview with George W. Bush on the 2000 campaign trail that reveals Cameron's relationship with the campaign because his wife WORKS FOR BUSH!!!

Yeah, Fair and Balanced my A$$ . As seen in Outfoxed.

[YOUTUBE]huf-4XVUwkY[/YOUTUBE]

Propaganda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Propaganda is communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda.

Now, if you think I am prejudice or lying, then please look at the video I provided. In this video you will witness for your own two eyes Ex-Fox employees who tell the truth about how Fox is operated behind the scenes and why they do not have jobs there anymore.

With that said, when the word propaganda is used, you need to understand what the word means before you come fighting for Glen Beck or O'reilly. I don't hate these guys and they do tell some truths, but they are controlled by the Murdoch agenda, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. And they are vehicles of propaganda for the Murdoch agenda which is aligned with his behind the scene political and corporate promises.

Kinda like the Mob folks.

[caldwell02]

I believe you Moe. Fox's motivation is simply too transparent not to get.

[otisanddinga]

moe,

you are correct but ALL media is corrupt not just Fox news. Like I said earlier, Fox obviously has an agenda, too. It is apparent you personally feel that they're the worse but that could be argued. I believe MSNBC is the worst.

I am now labeled because I had the balls to comment on their nonsense.

[Maurice Bedard]

I agree that all corporate media is corrupt. Not ALL media, but most ALL of what you see on the television is for secret agendas and causes for the owners and their alliances. I watch Beck, Hannity and Oreilly sometimes. They make me laugh and sometimes have good info like the Obama Czars, Acorn scandal, crying and yelling matches to amuse me.

If they put that focus on the Senators and bankers, well maybe then they would be doing thier actual jobs. Aint gonna happen because weve got 6 year old boys in helium ballons to worry about.

I also feel MSNBC is corrupted, no doubt in my mind about that. I COMPLETELY dislike this network. They are controlled by GE, Chase and Wal Mart. Companies that **** the life out of Main Street yet promote Wall Street as our Gods. Most shows are Pathetic. Dylan Ratigan on MSNBC is pretty good and Olberman on CNBC are the only decent shows in the NBC brand in my view. But I certainly do not hang on to their every word.

ABC, NBC, CBS etc. are also corrupt.

Your not labeled at all ottis, I think you have seen the light during the course of this thread and debate. That is my goal, to provide various facts, links and testimony for people to form an educated decision as to the media they rely on for information.

We ALL should be alarmed by this information. That doesn't mean go over to MSNBC or CNN. It means, wake up and smell the media coffee because it sure does smell like one big boiling cup of B$!! We should inform our friends and neighbors and has parents, educate our children.

I am almost positive that most of Main Street America who happens upon this debate has never peered behind the scenes of Fox, its owners or media in general.

This blatant in your face propaganda is ruining our country and we, the people need to put a stop to it.

[otisanddinga]

moe,
re-read my posts. I was personally attacked and now being called a "racist" for a valid point of view. I haven't changed my views from this thread. I can't believe you're allowing this (threats, fu's, get off the forum, now racist?)

Do you think that was warranted by what i ?? Read how I was attacked and labeled by irishgirl and garry.

By the way, I'm Independent, fiscally conservative and socially liberal. But I also vote on the issues so these allegations are comical.

[caldwell02]

Moe - one thing this forum has done (among many many things) for me that I didn't expect is to hear from people outside of my circle which is usually liberal/progressive and which knew for a long time that Fox had an agenda. We didn't know the back scenes, and I am grateful from what you have done here. I watch fox every once in a while and I think that's important. I've even agreed with O'Reilly a couple of times. I welcomed Oberman and Maddow because at least there was somebody saying something from another perspective.

This crap about all the media being liberal media is just more propaganda!

It's all manipulated media.

[otisanddinga]

mr. cadwell,

with all do respect, I didn't put you in the category of non hardworkers. I was being general as there are people who unfortunately ride the system. If you reread my post, hopefully you'll realize that was not my intention.

no one else wants to join this forum because they fear they'd be attacked too. I never personally attacked anyone and the pure hatred and now my "ethnic stereotyping"for my comments are appauling from irishgirl. do you want no opposing view? this is a controversial topic. I thought were adults.

[caldwell02]

Thanks AZ,

I was trying to get people to"think out of the box" mentality. I believe their hatred and personal attacks shows their character. I'm being labeled for being something I'm not.Next I'll be a racist.

As Moe said, most Americans are center right when it comes to running this country. So they hate most of America. They are the one's destroying this country. Probably the one's with 100% financing on their mortgages too. They are indignant, miserable beings with no valid solutions. These people are the most close minded, hateful people on this site. Actually, I feel sorry for them....

Otis - you are the one who brought up racism. I interpreted your post as a threat that you would start spouting racist rhetoric to get us to "think outside of the box" as you said in this same post.

Man you've gotta take a breath here. Get over yourself. I've already written my mea culpas for getting too strident. And please never call me "mr."

[otisanddinga]

whatever,

if you read irishgirls post, it's quite evident. You can't be rational with the irrational.

[Maurice Bedard]

Thanks Caldwell. Your words are always so well thought out and discussion so needed here. I love that you are a member here and a part of history.

Now you are being irrational Ottis. You are spinning words.

I encourage opposing views and I enjoy you being a member as well, I just have not heard too much from you as I have of Caldwell and Irish. No ones getting attacked here ottis.

You got a little out of line at first and you were put back in line. You sort brought the heat upon yourself for being a bit careless choosing your words and now your spinning it back on Irish and Caldwell using revers phsycology BS tactics like Fox does. Please do not say people are afraid to join this forum and use such big damaging words like racism to finish a debate off with little one two CHEAP jabs.

That is just sooooooooo FOOOOOOXXXXX /O'reilly like.

I need facts, links, videos and intelligent debate here from anyone willing to talk about Fox or debate these ex Fox employees who participate in this fair and balance documentary about Fox and the Murdock media empire. Lets let this tit for tat and he said she said die.

This is a debate about Fox News and the Murdoch empire.

Good or bad, do you think they are the gospel or not, I want to hear from you. But we need some facts here to go along with the emotion. My guess is no one can dispute that facts in this thread proving that Fox is nothing but a Murdoch Republican Party and corporate propaganda machine. Nothing against Republicans at ALL, that is just not fair and balanced.

We DESERVE better for our country and our children!!

[Maurice Bedard]

Sorry but I had to delete the chatter chatter comments Garry and MYHamp. I have an anything goes forum for that stuff. News propaganda and the damage is is doing to our country is one of the MOST serious ISSUES facing our nation.

This Fox thread is to debate and discuss Fox News only. Please keep on topic or your posts will be deleted. Thanks for your cooperation.

Geez, I feel like a dictator sometimes. LOL. Nope,I am just keep things on topic and the important issues at the forefront. This thread is more important than I think you all will ever know.

Did you know that every day over 400 people look to see who owns Fox News? That is potentially 12,000 people monthly who may read these words and form their opinions. Lets make the comments thoughtful, factual and on topic to make our marks in history.

[MyHAMP]

Sorry Moe..

Now to FOX: I would even go that far to say that they shouldn't be allowed to be named FOX NEWS.

[Irish Gal]

Now you are being irrational Ottis. You are spinning words.

I encourage opposing views and I enjoy you being a member as well, I just have not heard too much from you as I have of Caldwell and Irish. No ones getting attacked here ottis.

You got a little out of line at first and you were put back in line. You sort brought the heat upon yourself for being a bit careless choosing your words and now your spinning it back on Irish and Caldwell using revers phsycology BS tactics like Fox does. Please do not say people are afraid to join this forum and use such big damaging words like racism to finish a debate off with little one two CHEAP jabs.

That is just sooooooooo FOOOOOOXXXXX /O'reilly like.

I couldn't agree more.

[caldwell02]

We Irish gals (yeah I'm one of em too) are a force to be reckoned with at times.

[Irish Gal]

We Irish gals (yeah I'm one of em too) are a force to be reckoned with at times.

The Irish boys hold their own, too. O'Reilly, Hannity, tee hee hee

[Maurice Bedard]

No problem MyHamp. Fox is Tabloid news if anything. This is just an issue that I hold close to my heart and one that is at the core of the cancer in our country.