Old 07-16-2009, 12:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Please answer these questions

I posted my story in the Chase thread under "Time to walk away from Chase" but the short version of it is that my husband and I were just told that we don't qualify for the HAMP modification. I suspect this means that foreclosure is fairly imminent.

Here are my questions:

We live in GA, which I know is a recourse state. What are the odds that they will come after us for a deficiency judgement? We have a Fannie Mae-owned loan that is serviced by Chase. No seconds and it is our primary (and only) residence. The house was appraised at $214,000 three years ago, but we owe $189,000 now and I'm sure that the value of the home has dropped. It does have PMI.

If they do come after us for a judgement, can we file bankruptcy to avoid paying it? Our credit, which used to be perfect, was trashed during Chase's little "forebearance" stunt. We owe about $4,000 in credit card bills and $15,000 on a car loan; we are not behind in any payment but the mortgage.

Lastly, is it worth it for us to wait after the foreclosure to be offered cash-for-keys? Do they do that in GA or will they just evict us?

I hope someone can answer these questions. I have been on this painful, sickening journey for almost a year now and I am exhausted. I just want this to be over with, and I don't want them to come after us even after they have our house. After all, we wanted to make our payments ... we did everything they asked us to do and they still denied our request for a mod. I feel as if I've been robbed, honestly, and I don't think I can take it if they try to do it twice.


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Old 07-16-2009, 02:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Please answer these questions

Hello CheatedbyChase..

I will be checking for responses as well..as our situations are somewhat similar..
Let's stay tuned...
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Re: Please answer these questions

You arent alone.....I'm in a similar situation in Fla. Awaiting any response as well.
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:59 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Please answer these questions

CheatedByChase,


Hello and welcome to this forum
Have you tried calling NACA and HOPE NOW to see if they can help you?


NACA
https://www.naca.com/refinance/refinanceTenStep.jsp

Thank God for Moe. I have found the contact number for Chase which Moe posted in one of his threads. Here’s what Moe posted:
Chase used to be WAMU.

Robert Harris
614-422-3656 or
800-848-9117 x3656

Chase 800-446-8939

Executive team 1-800-225-5497


Income and expense sheet for Chase and you will need this when dealing with their loss mitigation department.
Click here http://www.chase.com/cm/chf/alternat...nt/HOAForm.pdf

Chase Success Stories:

http://www.loansafe.org/forum/success-stories-homeowners-who-fought-back-won/8753-wamu-now-chase-success.html


In situations where the foreclosure sale does not produce enough cash to pay the loan balance in full (after deducting expenses and accrued unpaid interest), the lender may elect to obtain a personal judgment against the borrower for the unpaid balance. This deficiency process in Georgia is accomplished through confirmation of the foreclosure sale. For the foreclosure sale to be confirmed, an application must be brought to the Superior Court in the county in which the sale occurred within 30 days of the sale, otherwise the right to pursue a deficiency is lost. This is a judicial process. As part of the confirmation process the Judge will generally examine how the sale was conducted to determine whether the property was sold for its fair market value. The lender must enter a minimum bid equal to at least the fair market value of the property for the sale to be confirmed. (Soure Georgia Foreclosure law).

Hiring someone who is a Real Estate Lawyer with expertise in Loan Modification is an option available to you and it is your decision to make. You can check the State BAR Association website to see if the lawyer you want to hire is license to practice law and be able to get information about this lawyer. There are lawyers in this forum that may be able to answer your question, maybe should give them a call and ask for a free consultation..

Your loan modification attorney can help you understand your rights and use them to get the results you want. Work with your lawyer., or your loan modification attorney. These people can help, but you need to cooperate with himr. Don’t file for bankruptcy, unless you really have to. People think that filing for bankruptcy can help them stop foreclosure. But statistics shows from the American Bar Association that it doesn’t work that way. In fact, 96% of the people who file bankruptcy end up losing their homes anyway—so they’re left with a foreclosure AND a bankruptcy on their records. In some cases, bankruptcy is still a viable option, but don’t make any decisions without getting professional advice.

God bless you and peace be with you.
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Re: Please answer these questions

A mortgage foreclosure does not automatically result in a deficiency judgment. Just because you lose a property at foreclosure does not mean you will remain personally liable for money owed to the lende . To obtain a deficiency judgment against the borrower the foreclosure sale the mortgage lender has to file a motion for a deficiency after the foreclosure sale, and the court must hold a separate evidentiary hearing on the lender’s request for deficiency liability.

You can possibly negotiate for the release of both the property lien and the underlying personal debt secured by the note. If you fail to do this, the lender may not forgive the personal debt and it will become a collection. You can do this through.

Typically states with anti-deficiency laws apply only to 1st mortgages, and it must be your primary residence. It may also depend on what type of loan you have. In Arizona, despite the anti-deficiency law, if it’s a VA or FHA loan, they can file a deficiency judgment.

If a mortgage lender pursues a deficiency judgment you should hire an attorney to defend the deficiency. In many cases, an attorney can use procedural defenses and substantive lending law to defeat a deficiency claim, and the attorney can negotiate an acceptable settlement for much less than the total deficiency liability in most cases.

The second mortgage holder gets nothing at the foreclosure sale. If the first mortgage holder pursues a deficiency judgment (and again, this is usually not the case), the borrow can defend the action in part by arguing that the mortgagee has been satisfied by its repossession of the property. The borrower does not have this defense against the second mortgage.

One of the best things you can do is have someone negotiate a short payoff or a short sale on your home and have the lender agree to a “satisfaction” which means the lender is giving up their right to go after the homeowner for the deficient amount. If they only agree to “release the lien” then they still have their right to file a deficiency judgment.

In California Code 580b is a valuable resource, I am not sure of the codes in the other states. You should definately consult with an attorney and have them review your docs to check your qualifications under this law to see if you are protected from any deficiency.

From the The IRS on Shorts Sales, Foreclosures and Debt Forgiveness.

The IRS on Shorts Sales, Foreclosures and Debt Forgiveness

Update Feb. 4, 2008 — The Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007 generally allows taxpayers to exclude income from the discharge of debt on their principal residence. Debt reduced through mortgage restructuring, as well as mortgage debt forgiven in connection with a foreclosure, qualify for this relief.

This provision applies to debt forgiven in 2007, 2008 or 2009. Up to $2 million of forgiven debt is eligible for this exclusion ($1 million if married filing separately). The exclusion doesn’t apply if the discharge is due to services performed for the lender or any other reason not directly related to a decline in the home’s value or the taxpayer’s financial condition.

The amount excluded reduces the taxpayer’s cost basis in the home. More information on claiming this exclusion will be available soon.
The questions and answers, below, are based on the law prior to the passage of the

Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007.

1. What is Cancellation of Debt?
If you borrow money from a commercial lender and the lender later cancels or forgives the debt, you may have to include the cancelled amount in income for tax purposes, depending on the circumstances. When you borrowed the money you were not required to include the loan proceeds in income because you had an obligation to repay the lender. When that obligation is subsequently forgiven, the amount you received as loan proceeds is reportable as income because you no longer have an obligation to repay the lender. The lender is usually required to report the amount of the canceled debt to you and the IRS on a Form 1099-C, Cancellation of Debt.

Here’s a very simplified example. You borrow $10,000 and default on the loan after paying back $2,000. If the lender is unable to collect the remaining debt from you, there is a cancellation of debt of $8,000, which generally is taxable income to you.

2. Is Cancellation of Debt income always taxable?

It is wise to consult with an Attorney who is familiar with DEBT negotiation and has significant experience working with lenders. Keep in mind that Attorney’s fees or Realtor fees come out of the lender’s net proceeds, therefore, you MAY not have to pay out of your own pocket for an Attorney or Realtor to assist you with the transaction.
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