Old 11-23-2008, 09:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hard working family needs advise.

I will provide the basic details in a digested version. My wife and I have perfect credit. I am a 13 year veteran police officer who made a bad land investment after selling a home. The plan was short term and it has turned into a 3 year deal. It was a one acre lot for 189K now worth 60K. M&I Bank is the lender of a balloon loan now expired. I tried to modify the loan to make affordable last year and they agreed to modification for 12 months or deed in lieu. I did the right thing and made the payments another year. Now loan has expired and they will not work with me anymore even though I had not missed a payment. I can not afford to keep going like this. They now refuse to provide a real negotiable loan or deed in lieu. As a result, I skipped the last to payments to show them I am serious. I am not worried about the credit, however I am afraid of this going to court... I do not want to be forced into a bankruptcy when I don't have problems with my other daily bills. Please give me good advise. Should I let this go to foreclosure or should I look at other options like walking away from my house so I can afford to keep the vacant land by renting a cheaper house? This would only save me from a court case in Az. being that they cant sue on a primary residence foreclosure. I need help fast. This is eating me alive.

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Old 11-24-2008, 08:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Hard working family needs advise.

I need additional factual information that relates to your home before making a suggestion. The questions I have are:

1. What state is your residence located in and how large is the lot (does it exceed 2.5 acres)?
2. What is your estimate of the fair market value of your residence?
3. For each loan on the property, identify the lender, the current balance, and whether the loan was created at the time you purchased the residence or was created as the result of a refinance.


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Old 11-24-2008, 08:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Hard working family needs advise.

It is actually not my home that I am thinking of foreclosing. It is a one acre vacant lot in a residential community. The lot has no residence. I purchased it for 189K. The last five that sold within 2 miles sold at 58-62K. The loan was 100% financed with M&I Bank. It was financed and listed on the loan docs as for residence, not investment. I own another house that I live in but it is negative equity and I am OK with that. I just cant make payments of 1200 per month on dirt worth 60K and a balance of 181K. I dont care about the credit hit anymore. It is worth having my sanity back and not working so hard for dirt.... I just dont want to get in a law suit and have my wages garnished and loose my other assets. I have never had any credit issues before and I have no problems with any other bills. What are the chances they will actually sue me? Please help.
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Old 11-24-2008, 11:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Hard working family needs advise.

The goal is to look at things from a global viewpoint. You said in your posting:

"Should I let this go to foreclosure or should I look at other options like walking away from my house so I can afford to keep the vacant land by renting a cheaper house?"

In order to help you I asked questions about your home because of the statement you made above. Please answer them so we can provided the best assistance possible.
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Old 11-25-2008, 05:33 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Hard working family needs advise.

1. What state is your residence located in and how large is the lot (does it exceed 2.5 acres)?
2. What is your estimate of the fair market value of your residence?
3. For each loan on the property, identify the lender, the current balance, and whether the loan was created at the time you purchased the residence or was created as the result of a refinance.

I live in Az and it is a 3rd acre lot approx. The home is financed 80/15. The main loan is ASC and the secondary is Wilshire. These are purchase loans and not refinance. The amount owes is 319K and 59K. Due to the market, the home is probably worth 300K. I am c urrent on all house payments. In Az. I know we are protected if walking away from the house, but is it worth it to loose your home to save a dirt lot??? It sounds crazy. I cant beleive I got into this situation over a dirt lot. I just dont see the lot rebounding in the next 3 years. There area alot of vacant lots where I own mine.

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Old 11-25-2008, 10:05 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Hard working family needs advise.

I live in Az and it is a 3rd acre lot approx. The home is financed 80/15. The main loan is ASC and the secondary is Wilshire. These are purchase loans and not refinance. The amount owes is 319K and 59K. Due to the market, the home is probably worth 300K. I am c urrent on all house payments. In Az. I know we are protected if walking away from the house, but is it worth it to loose your home to save a dirt lot??? It sounds crazy. I cant beleive I got into this situation over a dirt lot. I just dont see the lot rebounding in the next 3 years. There area alot of vacant lots where I own mine.

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Old 11-27-2008, 11:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Hard working family needs advise.

In my mind it certainly isn't worth it to lose your home to save a dirt lot. But that is a personal opinion.

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Re: Hard working family needs advise.

I agree.... So what can I do to avoid being taken to court and being sue, having wages garnished, and forced into a BK???? I dont care about the credit hit, but I dont need a bankruptcy or any other obligations after a foreclosure.. I was offered a died in lieu last year, but chose to keep making payments. Now they wont work with me.
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Well, is there simply that single loan on the lot?
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Yes, the lot only has the one loan which is a 100% loan on the lot. On the loan paperwork, it is primary residence, however we never built a home on it. I am trying to get them to agree to a Deed in Lieu but they so far are not agreeing to it. I was told it does not save them alot of time or money in Az.
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Here is some "not so light" reading that may provide a clue to your situation. When I have more time, I'll try to see if I can simplify its content. But need to head out to a meeting this a.m.

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A question many lenders face is what to do when a borrower defaults on a promissory note. Depending on whether the loan is a mortgage or a deed of trust will affect the decision the lender makes, but the main question the lender needs to ask is whether it would be more beneficial to foreclose on the property, taking the property back with a deed in lieu, or sue on the promissory note. Many lenders automatically think they should foreclose, however, in certain circumstances, suing on the note may be the better remedy. This article focuses on some of the advantages and disadvantages of suing on the note instead of foreclosing.
Mortgages and Deeds of Trust. Perhaps the oldest form for secur­ing real property is the mortgage. A mortgage is not common in Arizona, because a deed of trust is a better security interest for the lender. A mortgage is a two-party instrument that is basically a pledge of real property given by a borrower (a mortgager) to a lender (a mortgagee) to secure the payment of a debt. On the other hand, a deed of trust is a three-party instrument in which the borrower (trustor) conveys legal title to the property to the trustee. The trustee holds legal title to the property on behalf of the lender (beneficiary). The beneficiary’s remedies under the deed of trust include those avail­able to the mortgagee under a mortgage but also give the lender a non-judicial private power of sale (better known as a trustees sale) not available with mortgages. Except for certain “purchase money” residential loans (which are explained below), if a borrower defaults under either a mortgage or a deed of trust, the lender (mortgagee or beneficiary) may foreclose upon the property or sue on the note.
Foreclosure Remedies. When a borrower defaults under a mort­gage, the mortgagee may enforce either the security by judicial fore­closure (in which case the security is sold by court order), or the mort­gagee may elect to sue directly on the original indebtedness that is secured by the mortgage. In Arizona, a mortgagee cannot simultaneously maintain a judicial foreclosure and a separate lawsuit on the debt. This rule is set forth in A.R.S. § 33-722 that allows the mortgagee to either sue directly on the debt (thereby waiving the mortgage) or judicially foreclose the mortgage.
A beneficiary under a deed of trust has two options to foreclose: the lender may foreclose on the property by a judicial sale just as a mortgagee cam or the lender may forecloseby a non-judicial trustees sale (which is by far the most common method of foreclo­sure in Arizona). Further, in contrast to a mortgagee, a beneficiary also has the right to simultaneously pursue a trustee’s sale and sue directly on the original note. As noted earlier, A.R.S.§ 33-722 clearly prohibits a lender from simultaneously maintaining a lawsuit on the note and a judicial foreclosure. But the election of a remedy statute (A.R.S.§ 33-722) is contained only in the mortgage statutes and no similar ‘election of remedy” statute appears in the chapter governing deeds of trust. The question then becomes which remedy is best suited for the lender.
Pursuing the Debt and Deficiencies. When choosing a remedy to pursue, a lender must consider whether its debt is sufficiently covered by the collateral And if not, the lender must then consider whether the debt is collectible against the borrower, including whether or not a potential deficiency judgment can be obtained and collected if the lender chooses to foreclose instead of suing on the note.
If the proceeds of the foreclosure sale of the property secured by a mortgage or by a deed of trust are insufficient to pay the full loan bal­ance, the mortgagee or the beneficiary may be entitled to a judgment against the debtor known as a ‘deficiency.’ Under Arizona law, a deficiency is equal to the amount of the debt minus the greater of the bid at the foreclosure sale or the fair market value of the property. A deficiency judgment is authorized under A.R.S. § 33-725 (mortgages) and A.R.S. § 33-814 (deeds of trust). However, in 1971 the Arizona Legislature enacted two anti-deficiency statutes barring the right of certain beneficiaries andcertain “purchase money” mortgagees from seeking a deficiency judgment for certain types of residential loans. These anti-deficiencies statutes apply when the security does not exceed 2.5 acres and is utilized as and limited to either a single one-family or single two-family dwelling. The result of the anti-deficien­cy statutes is that a lender who is foreclosing on a single one-family or two-family residence on less than 2.5 acres may receive less than the debt but still not be able to collect the difference, whereas a lender who instead sues on the note could potentially obtain a judgment for the full amount of the debt owed. If the lender is significantly under-secured and believes the debtor has sufficient assets to enable the lender to collect on a judgment, the lender may want to waive the security and sue directly on the note, as long as the law allows such action (as explained below).
The anti-deficiency statute for mortgages applies only to “purchase money” mortgages, Accordingly, if a mortgage is not “purchase money”, the mortgagee can seek a deficiency and may be better suited to foreclose since the lender can obtain a deficiency after the foreclosure is completed.
The deed of trust anti-deficiency statute, however, applies to all such residential deeds of trust, not just to ‘purchase money” deeds of trust. Thus, for the vast majority of residential properties secured by a deed of trust, the lender cannot seek a deficiency if it performed a trustee’s sale, but can seek a deficiency if it performed a judicial foreclosure (although the judicial method is a long and expensive process). In light of this anti-deficiency statute, a deed of trust lender is often wise to sue directly on the note if the property lacks sufficient equity, whereas a mortgagee would usually choose to judicially foreclose and pursue a deficiency instead of suing on the note.
Neither of these statutes expressly prohibits a lender from electing to waive the security of the mortgage or the deed of trust and sue the homeowner directly on the debt. However, in a landmark decision entitled Baker v. Gardner, decided in 1988, the Arizona Supreme Court held that Arizona’s anti-deficiency statutes prohibit a secured lender from suing a homeowner who borrowed money on those types of loans protected by the anti-deficiency statutes. The court stated the allowance of a lawsuit on the promissory note is such instances would circumvent the legislature’s objective in enacting the anti-deficiency statutes. The end result of Baker is that a lender who takes a mortgage or deed of trust to secure all or part of the purchase price ofthe home may only foreclose. Therefore, if the residential loan is a “purchase money” mortgage or deed of trust, the lender must foreclose, either by judicial fore­closure (mortgage or deed of trust) or sale (deed of trust only). In other words, for such residential properties, the only time a lender can sue directly on the note is if the loan is not “purchase money”, such as a home equity loan. In the case of non-purchase money loans, the lender may consider the option of suing on the note.
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Re: Hard working family needs advise.

I don't mean to hijack your thread, but I am in a nearly identical situation (except I have two lots with M&I). I am anxiously awaiting some responses to your situation.
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OopsIn2005, thanks for the wake up call. This one slipped between the *****s and I'm sorry for leaving it unanswered. The key question relates to whether, based upon the following language contained in the quoted text from my previous posting, the lender will proceed with a court process within 90 days of completing its non-judicial foreclosure under A.R.S. Section 33-814.

My sense is that depends upon the potential collectability of the debt. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

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