Old 09-09-2009, 08:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question What's the Best Course of Action?

Hi there, been reading through many of the information here and this site, it is very encouraging, thanks. I had nearly gotten to the point of just sucking it up and living with our situation.
Anyway, I'm now wondering what next the course of action should be. Try to move forward for a Mod on my own or maybe get with NACA, who is coming to my town in a couple weeks. The thing is I have not yet read a situation on here that totally matches mine, only partially.

Here is the situation. We did a refi a few years back to pull out some equity to do home repairs and improvements, taking advantage of the good realestate market. We didn't take out all the equity but some. Now though our value has dropped soooo much because of all the forclosures around us we are pretty underwater. We have a primary and secondary loan. Based on just the primary loan and using online estimators we are about 50-60kk upside down, and adding in secondary loan, another 18k upside down. Yuck.

We don't want to leave our home, we want to stay here. Our interest rates is not horrible either, 5.8 on the primary and 7.8 on the secondary. But I know there are better out there, and it just sucks that all these years we have been faithful paying our mortgage on time and now because of the banks greedy practices our value has dropped so much. I just don't see us getting any equity back any time soon at all, if ever before the thing is paid off.

Our loan was a CW, now of course BoA. I have talked with both several times about Mod or Refi and they just give me the usual run around and say I don't qualify for the refi because I'm so underwater on it. But because I'm current with payments and can still make them, I don't qualify for a mod. The thing is, we are currently enrolled with CCCS to get our credit card debt paid off. Lowered interest, closed the account, fixed payment every month, but it's a huge chunk. Then with all our other household expences, mandatory pension out of my paycheck etc, we barely have enough for gas and food and incidentals each month. We no longer have a savings, and no credit cards to use now (which is good) and basically living paycheck to paycheck. So I would love to at the very least reduce our mortgage payments so we have some extra money to get buy on, maybe pay off the credit cards faster. It would REALLY be awesome to get something like the Hope for Homeowners program and reduce the debt we owe.
The other problem is based on my gross income, my ratio is no where near what they consider for the programs. I make to much. Sure I have been making my mortgage payments, but that's becasue we are responsible and have always made it the first priority bill to get paid. Doesn't mean we are making budget cuts in other areas of our life.

It's funny I found the H4H program info months ago, but none of the banks ever heard of it. I even told a guy the link and he said they never heard of it, don't do it, they only know the MHA stuff. Now I read they changed the H4H program to make it easier to qualify and more incentive for the banks. Has been successful since the changes?

So to sum up, I'm current with payments, can still make them, but we are still struggling month to month to make all the bills and survive as a family with a house to maintain. We make to much based on the gross income according to the people I talk to on the phone. And our house is pretty upside down right now so don't qualify for a refi to get better rate, and I would like to reduce the debt or at least lower my payment.

So I've read people try contacting BoA directly and hound them. I read someplaces here that people use CCCS to work something out. I've also come across the NACA site, which looks promising. Do I have a chance here to make a change for my family? Which would be the best route to go with at this time? Any further information on my options or suggestions of things to look up and read would be much appreciated.


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So I've read people try contacting BoA directly and hound them. I read someplaces here that people use CCCS to work something out. I've also come across the NACA site, which looks promising. Do I have a chance here to make a change for my family? Which would be the best route to go with at this time? Any further information on my options or suggestions of things to look up and read would be much appreciated.
Since the market has dropped so much, there is really no one that can qualify for a refi or even a principle reduction. I have maybe seen three principle reductions in the last two years.

Your best bet would be to go for a modification, but it will be more difficult since you state that you make too much to qualify. NACA would be a good choice and I suggest you attend the meeting when they come to your town. They have helped many here achieve an affordable mortgage payments...
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Re: What's the Best Course of Action?

Great thanks Evan. With NACA should I just go through the online process of signing up for the meeting coming to town? Do they tell me all the information I need to bring with me?
Is working with CCCS not really successful? I was just wondering since they do already have our credit card information, income/budget and know where we stand financially.
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Great thanks Evan. With NACA should I just go through the online process of signing up for the meeting coming to town? Do they tell me all the information I need to bring with me?
Is working with CCCS not really successful? I was just wondering since they do already have our credit card information, income/budget and know where we stand financially.
Gman, As Evan suggested, check with Naca.

As to CCCS, from what I heard from a friend who went that route, they didn't help them much because the payments were not low enough to be able to live comfortably, in addition, their credit was ruined anyway. So why not BK?

My suggestion is to get a free consultation with a BK attorney, you can file chapter 7, keep your home and wipe all credit cards debt, or you can file chapter 13, you still can keep your home, you will be making payments to the court. They allow for your expenses, food, gas, car.etc.etc. IMO, they give you a reasonable amount of money to live comfortably, then whatever is left goes first to the mortgage, whatever is left after that is distributed among the credit cards over 60 months.

Good Luck!
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If you have a Save the Dream event coming to your city, I would definately attend. While the results that NACA can get for you largely depend on who the investor of your loan(s) is they will work to get the best deal. I was in a similar situation, current on my loan, and BofA just would not work with me. I went to NACA and was able to stay current and get my first mortgage modified to 2% fixed. By the way if you don't make it to the Save the Dream Event, you can go online to NACA.com and go to the homesave menu. Fill out the ten step process. The tenth step is faxing up your documents with your own personal fax page. Usually your mortgage statements, insurance certificate, tax bill and payroll stubs for the last month. Once you fax this stuff up you can then go online to their make a phone appointment. Try to make more than one appointment incase they miss one. The rep will go over all your data and your budget. Be sure to write up your hardship letter before you start the steps as then you can just type it in. (Once you type it in it disapears.) It is a grueling process but NACA will take your whole budget into consideration not just your DTI.
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Re: What's the Best Course of Action?

I would really not rather go the route of BK. I don't think it's neccessary at this point, and hope it never gets there. Both of our credit scores are really good at this point, again, making ontime home payments for 7 years, paying off 3 cars over the years and for the most part making ontime CC payments.
I really just want to reduce our monthly payments so we can live a little more comfortably, pay things off faster, maybe even build up a savings again. I see no reason why so many others can get lowered rates, why I can't. When I asked BoA what the rates were on a 30yr fixed refi they said it was 5.8 and 5.5 on a 30yr fixed new loan. WoW I told the guy, that's rediculous because as low as the Fed rate is they could do 4-4.5 % and still make profits. The banks are just so dang greedy.

So I'm looking through the NACA site and started filling out the information online. As I was reading through the agreement I'm seeing things that make me hesitate. I don't mind the membership requirements to have to participate in events throughout the year, that's giving back to the organization and the community. But what's this about a membership fee paid monthly for X number of years? Further reading it sounds like maybe this replaces a standard PMI payment that is added onto your mortgage anyway. Is this NACA membership then just added to the new mortgage payment they get you? Does anyone who has gone with NACA have more information on the membership agreement?
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I would really not rather go the route of BK. I don't think it's neccessary at this point, and hope it never gets there. Both of our credit scores are really good at this point, again, making ontime home payments for 7 years, paying off 3 cars over the years and for the most part making ontime CC payments.
I really just want to reduce our monthly payments so we can live a little more comfortably, pay things off faster, maybe even build up a savings again. I see no reason why so many others can get lowered rates, why I can't. When I asked BoA what the rates were on a 30yr fixed refi they said it was 5.8 and 5.5 on a 30yr fixed new loan. WoW I told the guy, that's rediculous because as low as the Fed rate is they could do 4-4.5 % and still make profits. The banks are just so dang greedy.

So I'm looking through the NACA site and started filling out the information online. As I was reading through the agreement I'm seeing things that make me hesitate. I don't mind the membership requirements to have to participate in events throughout the year, that's giving back to the organization and the community. But what's this about a membership fee paid monthly for X number of years? Further reading it sounds like maybe this replaces a standard PMI payment that is added onto your mortgage anyway. Is this NACA membership then just added to the new mortgage payment they get you? Does anyone who has gone with NACA have more information on the membership agreement?
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The member ship fee is if you buy a home with NACA financing. It is not for the restructures. As far as the donating of your time it still is voluntary. No one has called me to storm the home of the CEOs yet but hey I might be willing. lol
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Ah OK thanks CW CA. I think I'll stop on filling out the form, and call the 888 number I found. I'd rather talk with someone and tell them my situation and find out what they want me to do; sign up online, go the workshop first whatever.
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Hi I'm back and it seems the community has been busy. Wow go Moe and gang!! Take it to the banks and kick them where it counts.

I did call the NACA number but there is no option to get a person to ask questions, just to schedule a workshop. My plan was to try and get one scheduled and talk to them and find out what they say. But now I see all this new direction the community it taking with the banks, BoA in particular. Would a better course now be to make contact with BoA and force the issue with them, to lower my rate, and get me a lower payment? I'm still gathering all my paperwork and information for my 2 loans, and income etc so whichever route I take, I have it.
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