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Exclamation Countrywide California Attorney General Settlement - BEWARE of CW Cancelling Loan Modifications WITHOUT Notice

Bank of America/CountryWide employees have stated that MOST if not ALL 'AG mods' are canceled after the NOTARIZED FINAL mod contract package has been returned in compliance with the instructions.

BEWARE: You will NOT be told of the 'cancellation' until it suits CW/BofA. So far, as much as a 7 month delay from the date the contract was to take effect until the borrower was 'told' has been reported, meaning that 6 months of payments were 'accepted' per that 'agreement'. Some of the 'March batch' are just coming to light NOW! You will have NO feadback from them, nor any request from them to explain any discrepancies THEY may claim. A further frustrating fact: THEY WILL HAVE DINGED YOUR CREDIT, either reporting that payments were not made or that they are partial payments.

To recognise whether YOU have an 'AG mod', ONE aspect identifies it:
A STREAMLINED application taken ONLY by PHONE to be followed by the borrower faxing them only a hardship letter. NOTHING MORE. NO FINANCIALS. The very next contact from CW is by phone and indicates that you are getting a modification package.

Other criteria is that your loan was issued from Jan 2003 to Dec 2007 and was 1) an ARM, 2) a Pay Option ARM or 3) a subprime first mortgage.

CountryWide NEVER provides a copy of the verbally-provided application information for you to verify THEIR entries of YOUR information.

The LETTER accompanying the modification contract has a FOOTNOTE that states "Your eligibility is based upon information you provided to us and may be subject to validation." On the third page of the 'letter' in the 'IMPORTANT TERMS' is listed the following:
"Please note that this offer is contingent upon verification of your income. Even if you sign and return the loan modification documents; this modificaiton will not take effect if we are not able to verify your income."
Verification of income normally PRESUMES an HONEST ATTEMPT to verify the income, not the CW-deny-em-automatically-cause-we-didn't-even-try-routine. Given that CW was DENYING the contracts AFTER they had been notarized by the borrower, COUNTRYWIDE/BofA should be required to make EVERY EFFORT to ACCOMODATE the Borrower in determining the income, not the practice in evidence of their overhelming attempt to disqualify ALL CW CA AG mod contracts.

The letter instructed you to return either paystubs and 3 months of bank statements OR, if self-employed, just 3 months of bank statements.

Then you enter into the CW/BofA game of 'what reason do we use to deny this AG mod'. It is also a game of "How long do we take the smaller payments and mess up the credit reports before we send the letter demanding the 'unpaid balance' that has now been increased by the false modification contract"?

They will intentionally put borrowers off for as many as 6 months of the 'false' payments, even with the borrower repeatedly requesting a CW-signed copy of the contract. Prior to making your first modified payment, you are given multiple verbal assurances that the 'mod' is approved. You may even be told a date that they completed 'Verification' of the package contents as I was.

If you DO become aware of some problem, very frequently you are told they will 'escalate' your mod. Well sources inside say that even when it is escalated to 'managment', that these will remain cancelled because those 'AG mods can be denied after they are approved and most are' or that they were 'contingent' modification contracts.

Reasons I have heard for the contract to not be honored or implemented (and most borrowers hear more than one of these 'reasons'):
1) The income did not match (even for employees who had NO change of ANY type)
2) It didn't get linked with the government funds we were using
3) The investor funds never came thru
4) We made a math error
5) It got here to late (supervisor's SUGGESTED that answer without looking at the particular caller's info on the screen when the call center personnel could not determine what excuse to give)
6) No reason
7) Those AG mods were conditional contracts (The only condition was in the letter, not the contract.)

They are now claiming that most of the cancellations are due to 'income verification'. It is very interesting that this was claimed even on an application where NO changes of income occured AT ALL. That was a case of an employee. The case for self-employed borrowers is far worse. IF you are going to try matching reported income for self-employed people to a bank statement rather than a profit and loss statement, you will ALWAYS have a way to say the 'income' differs.

The verbal application should then have been transcribed into a final application that the borrower could update or correct and then sign and included in the final package, as is done for an original mortgage application.

The only FAIR way to be verifying income for anyone self-employed would be to ask for a profit and loss statement or a copy of any contracts that provide monthly income or any other form of receipts the business has that show income.

Comparison of BANK STATEMENTS covering months you were TOLD not to make the scheduled mortgage payments to the contents THEY transcribed from your phone interview/application is a process that is RIPE for EXPLOITATION as is evidenced by the overwhelming number of these mods that are being denied after the fact.

What of ANY attempt to contact the borrower? They obviously wanted to just deny the mods, not allow any FAIR AND REASONABLE contact with the borrower to request any explanation. This is NOT standard business practice. I suspect there is even at least one standard for lending that was not adhered to with this practice. Where is a good attorney?

BofA/CW should have been REQUIRED to give each borrower an opportunity to either explain what BofA/CW viewed as either a difference from the application OR provide additional documentation. NO SUCH effort was made.

If BofA/CW could not verifiy income thru the bank statements or believed a difference to exist between the application and what they extracted from the bank statements, they should have been REQURED to give the borrower an OPPORTUNITY to provide additional documentation or an explanation. AGAIN NO SUCH EFFORT WAS MADE TO THOUSANDS OF BORROWERS WHO CW ENCOURAGED TO APPLY FOR THIS MODIFICATION CONTRACT.

A practice of never contacting the borrower for an explanation of the difference or an opportunity to provide additional proof of income provides CW/BofA with a loop-hole worse that any I've encountered when applying for a $500-limit CREDIT CARD.

With CW controlling the application AND able to modify same without the knowledge of the borrower, AND the borrower NEVER contacted to resolve any discrepancy of verbally reported income versus the income CW 'determines' per the bank statements, AND CW concealing their supposed 'finding' for MONTHS in many cases, is it hard to see that CW is INTENTIONALLY both DENYING EVERY AG MOD AND INTENTIONALLY DELAYING telling the borrower? It appears the delay goes on until the 'difference' is at least $10K that they suddenly demanding payment for in 'arrearages'.

IF you are really unlucky with their game, your note is one they choose to transfer one month AFTER your contract was to take effect. This is the very day your first modified payment is due. Only the new servicer will refuse to accept the modified payment and will be 'in on the game', demanding the total unpaid payments (oh yeah, that minimum of 2 months that they told you not to pay during the supposed implementation of the mod contract plus the time you had to be in arrears to trigger the AG settlement mod).


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Old 09-05-2009, 11:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: BEWARE! - CountryWide Cancels Almost All California Attorney General Settlement Mods WITHOUT Notice AFTER Issuing Same

Moe, Can I have a sticky for this?

Thanks!
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Re: Countrywide California Attorney General Settlement - BEWARE of CW Cancelling Loan Modifications WITHOUT Notice

Just read this article and thought of you, so-cal-gal...
Lawsuits: Bank reneged on loan deals | Cincinnati.com | The Cincinnati Enquirer
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Re: Countrywide California Attorney General Settlement - BEWARE of CW Cancelling Loan Modifications WITHOUT Notice

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Just read this article and thought of you, so-cal-gal...
Lawsuits: Bank reneged on loan deals | Cincinnati.com | The Cincinnati Enquirer
And here I already knew of EIGHT cases (my own included) and this article references TWO more.

Interesting that these cases are FINALLY starting to hit the newspapers instead of BofA swooping in to get them suppressed.

OH has more of a little cluster than they know about in this article.

It is becoming a growing trend now with other lenders also plus the tactic of reneging on the contracts is also showing up in the refusals by the lenders to sign the trial packages.

This could end up causing a change to basic contract law where contracts offered by a lender and complied with by a borrower may have to have some type of 'automatic' enforcement called for if no valid cause for cancellation is found within a short period of time (5-7 days for example).
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Re: Countrywide California Attorney General Settlement - BEWARE of CW Cancelling Loan Modifications WITHOUT Notice

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How are things going for you? You've been quiet lately. Came across another article for you... Denied:1up! Software ()
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Re: Countrywide California Attorney General Settlement - BEWARE of CW Cancelling Loan Modifications WITHOUT Notice

Suit filed. TRO requested. Almost at the stage of the couple in the news article. BofA will only waste your time with these 'AG mods' until you actually bring suit.

I now know of a dozen cases where attorneys have been retained. People are contacting me via some other sites I have posted on.

Questions keep coming up about whether there will be ANOTHER class action suit.

I'm wondering whether anyone is just going to file a petition in the LA court that has the CA stipulated settlement agreement on file and cite that BofA/CW are in breach of the agreement and request that the court rule them to be in contempt of court and fine them. Note that the OH AG was one of the other states who basically went along with the stipulated settlement agreement that is filed in Los Angeles, as I understand it.

I note the article you reference is moving that case to Federal court. Interesting.
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Re: Countrywide California Attorney General Settlement - BEWARE of CW Cancelling Loan Modifications WITHOUT Notice

Hi so-cal-gal! I don't know if this mod was an AG mod or not, but another news report of homeowners suing BofA for reneging on a signed mod contract:

Banks, debtors struggle with loan modifications - Business - MiamiHerald.com
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Re: Countrywide California Attorney General Settlement - BEWARE of CW Cancelling Loan Modifications WITHOUT Notice

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I just read the Attorney General's Settlement with CW/B of A. Fascinating. I have a question-- since March I have been trying to do a loan modification with B of A. I finally was offered , quite out of the blue after being told I was not elligible, a three month trial Home Affordable modification. From my understanding however of the AG settlement, I was elligible for that and I'm confused why I was not offered it right away. My question is should I start making payments with the trial offer just given me, or should I try to do my modification under the Attorney General's Settlement. I have concerns regarding this trial period offer...
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Re: Countrywide California Attorney General Settlement - BEWARE of CW Cancelling Loan Modifications WITHOUT Notice

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I just read the Attorney General's Settlement with CW/B of A. Fascinating. I have a question-- since March I have been trying to do a loan modification with B of A. I finally was offered , quite out of the blue after being told I was not elligible, a three month trial Home Affordable modification. From my understanding however of the AG settlement, I was elligible for that and I'm confused why I was not offered it right away. My question is should I start making payments with the trial offer just given me, or should I try to do my modification under the Attorney General's Settlement. I have concerns regarding this trial period offer...
I should ask, before you read my comments on the success rate for an 'AG Mod' if you live in Michigan. That state's AG office refers everyone to the MI Housing Authority which seems to have some BACKBONE to force the agreements to be honored. But that is still tempered with the fact that you most likely can not get an 'AG Mod' if you qualify for the MHA mod.

AARRGH. This is NOT a sure thing EITHER way, at this time, to my knowledge. [BTW, I have seen comments made that IF you qualify for the MHA program, BofA will offer you THAT and cancel any offer under the AG agreement. This may be part of their 'shell game' with reporting of modifications offered that must be supplied to the AG's office under the settlement.] The original settlement agreement with the AG does state that if there is some other federal program that is offered in the future (it referenced the one federal program by name for example), that BofA/CW is to offer THAT program.

Ok, with that said, if you qualify for a mod, BofA will normally tell you that you can not SPECIFY the program that you want them to offer you a mod under. The attitude appears to be: "Ya take what WE decide, ya have no RIGHTS to a mod, don't ya know?"

With the MHA program, I'm finding that there MAY be at least some avenues where you can complain to within Fannie Mae if the lender or servicer signs up but then does not actually honor the MHA program-based modification agreements. I have even been told that if the servicer is signed up but refuses to allow a mod based on the INVESTOR, that Fannie Mae is to be contacted. BUT I have yet to verify that. The information came from my US Congresswoman's office and at least one piece of that information has already proved to be untrue. I have yet to have contact from the contact point I was told to ask for within Fannie Mae.

The MHA program seems to be rife with complaints of the trial period just being extended again and again AND reports of foreclosure sales occurring REGARDLESS of even taking payments beyond the 3-month trial period. We have a member who did not even receive any notice that the permanent mod had been denied and the house was sold without any contact with her. There are no known standards for obtaining an actual PERMANENT mod under the MHA program, regardless of the details we see documenting the program. Look at the statistics of the number of PERMANENT mods under MHA.

Now, if you run into problems with having an 'AG Mod' honored, I have yet to find that there is ANY help whatsoever from the CA AG's office. I DARE them to get their buts in gear and help ME. They HAVE been contacted. They just respond that they know BofA is having 'problems'.

So then if you look to help from the federal level, you typically find that you are encouraged to start over with applying for the MHA program via a HUD-sponsored counseling agency such as HOPE and you will then be farmed out to people working for MMI, SpringBoard (bad reports there), or several others. NACA does not seem to do the MHA program. When working directly with BofA, Bofa processes for MHA after checking thru all other programs from what I have gleaned.

Bottom line, if you run into WANTON DISREGARD for a mod under the AG settlement agreement, the AG's office just takes a report. Do not expect help. You will have to hire an attorney if you want to fight for the contract. Either that or go start again to get an MHA mod.

The number of mods that actually have occurred under the 'AG Mod' program is claimed to be 'none'. Well, a FEW have escaped when a suit was filed.

To summarize, the last I saw data, less than 5% of the MHA mods that were in the TRIAL stage have ever 'escaped' to the PERMANENT mod column. BofA's own personnel have maintained that almost ALL of the 'AG Mods' are cancelled.

So, pick your poison, IF you have a choice. Sorry, it is pessimistic.
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Re: Countrywide California Attorney General Settlement - BEWARE of CW Cancelling Loan Modifications WITHOUT Notice

So-cal-gal,

I appreciate very much your response-- thank you. And I always like your candid remarks and honesty
I'm in California, San Diego to be exact, so Michigan's office won't help me. You verified my concern that I have about the bank approving my loan after the trial period-- it doesn't seem likely. And the AG route doesn't seem so promising either. I'll try the trial period for now, and grow more white hairs in stress.
One question-- I thought while in the trial period they cannot foreclose on you or bring forth foreclosure procedures. Is that not correct?
I appreciate your time-- this is an amazing forum and I'm so glad I found it-- thank you.
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Re: Countrywide California Attorney General Settlement - BEWARE of CW Cancelling Loan Modifications WITHOUT Notice

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I just got off the phone with so-cal-gal, she is sorry her account is not working. She asked me to tell you that they are foreclosing on the AG settlement and MHA trials.
Sorry if I left something out.
I am in San Diego too battling with BofA for a loan mod.
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Re: Countrywide California Attorney General Settlement - BEWARE of CW Cancelling Loan Modifications WITHOUT Notice

Hey Scarylarry,

I was afraid of that. Tell so-cal-gal that I appreciate her getting back to me. We should organize a protest. I am quite serious. This is ridiculous if B of A is not honoring AG settlements and MHA trials. This is very wrong. It should not take months and months to offer an MHA and then still foreclose. I still will go ahead with the MHA they offered me, but I am concerned, to say the least.
I have to read the offer again-- I don't believe they can foreclose while it's under review, right?
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Re: Countrywide California Attorney General Settlement - BEWARE of CW Cancelling Loan Modifications WITHOUT Notice

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betam,
I just got off the phone with so-cal-gal, she is sorry her account is not working. She asked me to tell you that they are foreclosing on the AG settlement and MHA trials.
Sorry if I left something out.
I am in San Diego too battling with BofA for a loan mod.
This is STILL so-cal-gal, but I've had a computer snafu and could not access my password from Roboform- the computer died. And with Moe resigning, we apparently do not have anyone looking at requests for help from the admins. The 'password request' system did not work.

So I was able to get a new account.

Indeed, what Scary Larry reported for me is TRUE. If you check you will see that with the MHA, some borrowers have made extra payments only to find out that their house sold with no notice.

With the AG agreement, regardless of statements in the settlement filed with the court AND regardless of the language in the contract I have signed, they are pushing for foreclosure. Mine is messier because they transfered the note to Litton rather than follow the requirements stated in the contract they gave me.

Breach of contract is very clear. Now Litton is dodging any attempt to modify, claiming the investor does not allow mods. HMMM. Same investor, ONLY the SERVICER changed. Also Litton refuses to honor requests made under RESPA to honor the existing mod. 'It was not signed'. It was offered and NEVER had any issue raised at all per the contract clause that required written notice to me an then 10 days to remedy. Any issue needed to be raised in a TIMELY manner and if none was issued, the contract was to be honored. [Basic contract law there.] Litton's issue should not hold water on the basis of CONTRACT law. That means they should honor the contract per RESPA.

The note is apparently securitized. I know there has been word in the media about insurance that can be collected that gives the note-holder payment of the face value of the note as long as they can force the note into foreclosure. I am not certain but that is the only thing that really makes sense with my particular note. Otherwise, the step-rate agreement will make the investors very well-off with the 6.2% on over $650,000.

WHERE is the note-holder going to get that type of income in the coming years? INDEED, the value of the house is far less than the amount of the loan and NO PRINCIPAL is reduced in the modification. Even the reduced interest rate is more than double the rate some people have been offered and is only reduced for 3 years, stepping back up to the original within that time frame.

IF there is no securitized 'insurance', then why take a beating on the value that will be obtained now by selling? Taking a BEATING on the principal invested in the note AND ALSO not being able to get the deal of knowing that the income will even be INCREASING in the next few years?

This is on a refi mortgage where I have a past history of maintaining the payments of the previous mortgage without fault for a long, long time.

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Now BofA/CW do not always transfer the 'AG mods' as they are called. They have many where they have taken payments for several months, and then contacted the borrower by phone to suddenly inform them that the mod was never implemented. The borrower now needs to suddenly pay all the difference in payments in quickly or face forecloseure. The only other option is to hire an attorney.

Are there ANY of the AG Mods that were implemented? Some BofA employees have referred to "ALL or ALMOST ALL of those were 'canceled'". Gee, if they were written with the clause that MINE has and were processed the same way, those were NOT validly 'Canceled' either.

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I'm also in San Diego along with the ScaryLarry and Betam.

I know of a case of the 'simple' version with the AG mod that exists here in San Diego also. Most of the cases nationally are of the 'simple' version.
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Re: Countrywide California Attorney General Settlement - BEWARE of CW Cancelling Loan Modifications WITHOUT Notice

Hi so-cal-gal-too!
Thanks for getting back to me. Moe is resigning? I'm sad to hear that. It seems that he has been a major force in this blog, an amazing and caring person. I hope B of A or Chase didn't threaten him... who knows what's going on with these higher powers.

You write of the "simple version" of the AG mod here in San Diego. What is that?

Also, have you ever gone personally into one of the banks? I'm tired of the phone center thing... I'm wondering if in person things would be more effective.
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Banks, debtors struggle with loan modifications - Business - MiamiHerald.com
Really? The article says BofA has modified 615,000 loans. LOL. They must have one column: "modified /foreclosed". I don't buy that number for a minute.
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LOL! Yeah, I don't buy that number either. I don't think the banks have any incentives to truly help. They probably rather foreclose because that way they get money up front, right away.
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hi so-cal-gal,

got your message that the preliminary injunction was granted!
I guess that is great news, congratulations for now!
I am dying to hear the details.
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Hi so-cal-gal-too!
Thanks for getting back to me. Moe is resigning? I'm sad to hear that. It seems that he has been a major force in this blog, an amazing and caring person. I hope B of A or Chase didn't threaten him... who knows what's going on with these higher powers.

You write of the "simple version" of the AG mod here in San Diego. What is that?

Also, have you ever gone personally into one of the banks? I'm tired of the phone center thing... I'm wondering if in person things would be more effective.
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The 'simple' version of the 'never-implemented mod' is one where they have held the note while taking the payments AFTER the mod was supposed to be in place. This is an easy case for an attorney who at least knows basic contract law. There area additional aspects of violations depending on the investor.

The 'other' version is where they transfer the note, typically to their pals at Litton, to immediately start foreclosure rather than accept the payments per the modification contract. THIS is MY case.
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The BofA branches that I have been in do not even have any lending department. You would have to find one that is not 'just a bank' location. Even if you find one with a lending department, I can not believe that they do anything other than force you to use the phone system. The BofA bank locations are totally clueless about what is going on with their home loan department. This may even be by instruction from corporate.

See if you do things face-to-face, something might get written down or you might have that pesky witness along with you. This way, it is all verbal other than the contracts like mine. Note that they tried to convince me and my attorney that the paper was only good for making into paper airplanes. [OKAY, what they SAID on speaker-phone with two of us present was 'They did nothing wrong' when they failed to implement the contract. Breach of basic contract law AND breach of a settlement signed with the state is apparently defined as 'nothing' to these 'too-big-to-fail' banks.]

I do know that some that attended 'Save the Dream' events who have CW loans were able to talk to reps there. HOWEVER, promised modification packages STILL have not arrived as promised to attendees at a recent event. See the pdsfoley recent postings.
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This is a letter that I sent Friday the 11-6-09 to a lawyer firm that already has a class action suit against BOA (for credit cards). They quickly replyed and asked for alot more documentation which I provided. This is my first post on this site(or any for that fact) and just want to say THANK YOU !!!!! For all the helpful and useful information. I AM NOT ALONE!!!

To whom it may concern,
Bank of America now holds our loan which was previously held by Countrywide. On February 11, 2009 we received our final Approval Letter plus a "Loan Modification Agreement" which amends and supplements the Mortgage, Deed of Trust or Deed to Secure Debt. It laid out the new terms, new loan amount and is the new security instrument. We had the paperwork notarized like it asked and returned it in the prepaid Fed Ex envelope that was provided with the paperwork. During that same month Bank of America officially took over Countrywide's loans(at least ours). When we started getting statements from Bof A I noticed that we were accumulating a "past due" amount and the loan balance was incorrect, it was still at the previous amount. I called Bof A, they asked me to give them time for them to catch up on paperwork from Countrywide. 30 days went by, they asked for 30 more and 30 more and 30 more, now all the sudden I am $22,000+ in past due and they claim I am 15 months behind. I AM NOT!!! Since my modification I have made every payment before the 15th of the month, I have paid my new payment amount(which is less than what Bof A says, but not what Countrywide and I agreed to). Now all the sudden Bof A says I was no approved! It was DONE. The whole modification was done! They want me to reapply for modification, with an additional $15,000 added onto the loan for the late fees , there aren't any late fees I am current. fficeffice" />>>
I am not the only one this is happening to, however situations are all different BUT involve this "HOPE Program". My mother and my best friend, and also my sister were ALL APPROVED for modifications, made their "HOPE" payments on time and then denied and are all in Foreclosure now. In which I am sure I will be getting a notice also because my bank claims I am way farther behind that them.....my modification was done!!!>>
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This is a letter that I sent Friday the 11-6-09 to a lawyer firm that already has a class action suit against BOA (for credit cards). They quickly replyed and asked for alot more documentation which I provided. This is my first post on this site(or any for that fact) and just want to say THANK YOU !!!!! For all the helpful and useful information. I AM NOT ALONE!!!

To whom it may concern,
Bank of America now holds our loan which was previously held by Countrywide. On February 11, 2009 we received our final Approval Letter plus a "Loan Modification Agreement" which amends and supplements the Mortgage, Deed of Trust or Deed to Secure Debt. It laid out the new terms, new loan amount and is the new security instrument. We had the paperwork notarized like it asked and returned it in the prepaid Fed Ex envelope that was provided with the paperwork. During that same month Bank of America officially took over Countrywide's loans(at least ours). When we started getting statements from Bof A I noticed that we were accumulating a "past due" amount and the loan balance was incorrect, it was still at the previous amount. I called Bof A, they asked me to give them time for them to catch up on paperwork from Countrywide. 30 days went by, they asked for 30 more and 30 more and 30 more, now all the sudden I am $22,000+ in past due and they claim I am 15 months behind. I AM NOT!!! Since my modification I have made every payment before the 15th of the month, I have paid my new payment amount(which is less than what Bof A says, but not what Countrywide and I agreed to). Now all the sudden Bof A says I was no approved! It was DONE. The whole modification was done! They want me to reapply for modification, with an additional $15,000 added onto the loan for the late fees , there aren't any late fees I am current. fficeffice" />>>
I am not the only one this is happening to, however situations are all different BUT involve this "HOPE Program". My mother and my best friend, and also my sister were ALL APPROVED for modifications, made their "HOPE" payments on time and then denied and are all in Foreclosure now. In which I am sure I will be getting a notice also because my bank claims I am way farther behind that them.....my modification was done!!!>>
Thanks for your feedback. We all appreciate Moe creating the site and I've been pretty vocal with the "AG Mod" problem. I'm glad you found my thread here.

Yep, you all actually fit what I call the "AG Mod" problem that is showing up more and more. Internally, BofA refers the the program as the 'National Home Retention Program (NHRP). Practically ALL thees 'AG mods' offered earlier this year were abondoned by BofA. The LEGAL TERM is 'BREACH OF CONTRACT'. Did BofA try to convince you that "They did nothing wrong"? LOL! I'm almost certain that you will have problems getting any other mod shaken loose from BofA unless you sue. You have this one AND, as long as you can get an attorney hired, you are better off with the proverbial 'Bird in the hand', existing contract and grounds to sue based on the breach of contract.

I personally already knew of about 14 cases that are filing law suits. I had to file my own to block foreclosure. The tactic BofA has been using was cornering the borrower with signing a non-disclosure in trade for them honoring the contract. They were then deleting the 'arrearage' that was originally to be added to the note. Then they paid the borrower's attorney's fees and gave a TOKEN payment to the borrower of a couple thousand. Keep in mind, you will find that they ALSO reported the payments as either late or PARTIAL payments so they have messed up your credit rating, regardless of you fulling complying with the terms of the modified contract.

BofA will TRY to make a big deal about the fact that they never signed your modification contract. That is pure hog-swill when considered by a court. They offered a contract and did not find any PERTINENT flaw and REPORT same in a TIMELY manner. In my case they only came up with a claimed problem AFTER we filed suit. That does not meet the criteria. They needed to find the problem and report the problem in a very timely manner, not just try to ignore the contract. With what they have done, the offer became a contract REGARDLESS of their failure to sign the contract. They as the OFFEROR, have agreed to the deal when they OFFERED the contract. You agreed and complied. That is the 'handshake' of original contract law. They had a VERY limited time frame to find and REPORT to you any RELAVANT reason to claim the contract was not valid.

Hopefully all the people you know with these mods are able to hire an attorney to sue for breach of contract. They also need to sue for the breach of the CA CW AG Stipulated Agreement. Even though that is a CA filing, the agreement STATES the mods they are to offer will be offered NATIONALLY. That is why the problem mods are showing up now in many more states.

[How do you like this:They settle a suit where they had been accused of false and missleading advertising. They agree to offer modification of the loans place under that illegal advertising. They advertise the mods, then they renege on the mods they offer. So that is missleading advertising too, when they advertise something that they do not even HONOR!] When will an AG sue for this SECOND chorus of the false and missleading advertising, let alone DO something about the BREACH of the SETTLEMENT agreement?]

What state are you located in? I could possibly provide more documents for the attorney you have contacted. Is this attorney interested in a nationwide class action suit over the loan mods or just certain states? Did you suggest this attorney look at my postings here? I have also posted on Class Action World and a few other sites.

Could you set up a temporary gmail account so that I could contact you?

Also, a group of us here at loansafe is trying to get a broader class action suit going.
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Thanks for your feedback. We all appreciate Moe creating the site and I've been pretty vocal with the "AG Mod" problem. I'm glad you found my thread here.

Yep, you all actually fit what I call the "AG Mod" problem that is showing up more and more. Internally, BofA refers the the program as the 'National Home Retention Program (NHRP). Practically ALL thees 'AG mods' offered earlier this year were abondoned by BofA. The LEGAL TERM is 'BREACH OF CONTRACT'. Did BofA try to convince you that "They did nothing wrong"? LOL! I'm almost certain that you will have problems getting any other mod shaken loose from BofA unless you sue. You have this one AND, as long as you can get an attorney hired, you are better off with the proverbial 'Bird in the hand', existing contract and grounds to sue based on the breach of contract.

I personally already knew of about 14 cases that are filing law suits. I had to file my own to block foreclosure. The tactic BofA has been using was cornering the borrower with signing a non-disclosure in trade for them honoring the contract. They were then deleting the 'arrearage' that was originally to be added to the note. Then they paid the borrower's attorney's fees and gave a TOKEN payment to the borrower of a couple thousand. Keep in mind, you will find that they ALSO reported the payments as either late or PARTIAL payments so they have messed up your credit rating, regardless of you fulling complying with the terms of the modified contract.

BofA will TRY to make a big deal about the fact that they never signed your modification contract. That is pure hog-swill when considered by a court. They offered a contract and did not find any PERTINENT flaw and REPORT same in a TIMELY manner. In my case they only came up with a claimed problem AFTER we filed suit. That does not meet the criteria. They needed to find the problem and report the problem in a very timely manner, not just try to ignore the contract. With what they have done, the offer became a contract REGARDLESS of their failure to sign the contract. They as the OFFEROR, have agreed to the deal when they OFFERED the contract. You agreed and complied. That is the 'handshake' of original contract law. They had a VERY limited time frame to find and REPORT to you any RELAVANT reason to claim the contract was not valid.

Hopefully all the people you know with these mods are able to hire an attorney to sue for breach of contract. They also need to sue for the breach of the CA CW AG Stipulated Agreement. Even though that is a CA filing, the agreement STATES the mods they are to offer will be offered NATIONALLY. That is why the problem mods are showing up now in many more states.

[How do you like this:They settle a suit where they had been accused of false and missleading advertising. They agree to offer modification of the loans place under that illegal advertising. They advertise the mods, then they renege on the mods they offer. So that is missleading advertising too, when they advertise something that they do not even HONOR!] When will an AG sue for this SECOND chorus of the false and missleading advertising, let alone DO something about the BREACH of the SETTLEMENT agreement?]

What state are you located in? I could possibly provide more documents for the attorney you have contacted. Is this attorney interested in a nationwide class action suit over the loan mods or just certain states? Did you suggest this attorney look at my postings here? I have also posted on Class Action World and a few other sites.

Could you set up a temporary gmail account so that I could contact you?

Also, a group of us here at loansafe is trying to get a broader class action suit going.

Thank you for all the info! I am in Oregon. I am hoping the attorney is willing to do class action that is why I contacted this attny. Like I said I found an attny that has already won a case against BOA (class action). They have all my info now and should hopefully be getting back to me this week . Is it OK to send a link or copy and paste your reply to them? I will set a gmail account soon, is there why a hotmail account won't work? Thank you again!!!!!!
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Thank you for all the info! I am in Oregon. I am hoping the attorney is willing to do class action that is why I contacted this attny. Like I said I found an attny that has already won a case against BOA (class action). They have all my info now and should hopefully be getting back to me this week . Is it OK to send a link or copy and paste your reply to them? I will set a gmail account soon, is there why a hotmail account won't work? Thank you again!!!!!!
You are welcome.

You get much more reliable delivery of your email when it goes to a gmail account than if you use hotmail. Plus this may be an account you will wand to use as a 'throw-away' account in case it gets heavily spammed.

Yes, please DO forward my information on to the attorney. I'm suing on my own but I'd be VERY interested in whether my current case could be pulled into a class action suit and what their approach is on the legal fees.

I'm currently already paying one attorney and am dealing with BofA deciding to fight and attempt to run up the bill rather than to settle, regardless of the belief by the Judge that I'm the one who should win the case for BREACH OF CONTRACT.

FYI, UPDATE: BofA has apparently largely abandoned settling cases with the non-disclosure agreement, REGARDLESS of a VALID suit against them for BREACH OF CONTRACT. They are now insisting on full-fledged legal fights. This says that YES we need to see if there is a way to join the cases. In non-judicial foreclosure states, where a PI is needed to block foreclosure while pursuing the breach of contract, you may want to see if you qualify to get any type of legal assistance even from the Legal Aide Society. In some areas, Legal Aide has exhausted their available funding.

I don't know how a class action would work with the individual cases getting Preliminary Injunctions.

It MUST be something that has occurred SOMEWHERE before.

Could you post the link for the attorney group you have contacted?
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So-cal-gal and juliesticka,

This is my first post and I am identifying with juliesticka's situation...mine's almost identical. I have been reading as much as I can...understanding as much as I can. I'm not sure what step to take. We had an approved loan mod sent to us from BofA(exact same date as juliesticka's (2-11-09). We signed, notarized, and sent back on time. Been making payments ever since, on time. Our loan statements arrived monthly with same original loan information (not the modified). They started applying (and sometimes not applying) the payments all screwy. Basically, nothing changed. They keep cashing our checks (since April) and now we just received "An intent to accelerate" letter which does not recognize any of the payments we sent in. We have made numerous calls to Cust Serv over the months....same old response.....they acknowledge that they did something wrong on their end (said there was a batch of loans like this) but they are waiting on Freddie Mac for approval (for ours)....yah, they have been saying that for 7 months now. And to approve WHAT? We were already approved. "Keep calling back" they said, now this letter. Please help with suggestions and Juliesticka, please update us on your progress with your attorney...maybe that's the step we need to take. Any help would be appreciated. ps- I'm in CA
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Juliesticka,

I was hoping you could give a brief update on your situation. I have felt quite hopeless over the months with what I have been experiencing with bofa. When I came across your situation, it was really a relief because our situation is nearly identical. We're just from different states. I felt like giving up the fight but have decided I can't. What they have done is so wrong. I, too, have the same contractual agreement with them. I am interested in hiring an attorney to help. Is it possible for you to share who your attorney is? I would like to share our information to see if we have a chance...and maybe your attorney knows of someone in CA who can help us sue for Breech of Contract. Thank you and hope all is going well with your situation.
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I was hoping you could give a brief update on your situation. I have felt quite hopeless over the months with what I have been experiencing with bofa. When I came across your situation, it was really a relief because our situation is nearly identical. We're just from different states. I felt like giving up the fight but have decided I can't. What they have done is so wrong. I, too, have the same contractual agreement with them. I am interested in hiring an attorney to help. Is it possible for you to share who your attorney is? I would like to share our information to see if we have a chance...and maybe your attorney knows of someone in CA who can help us sue for Breech of Contract. Thank you and hope all is going well with your situation.
What part of CA are you in? I'm in San Diego. There are other local cases where only BofA is involved. Regardless of the involvement of Litton as the new servicer of my loan, the basic situation is that BofA BREACHED MY CONTRACT.

I have my Preliminary Injunction which was required to block foreclosure. They now have the payments that Litton refused to take at the modified rate. They can only look at them. The investor can't touch them.

Your case will be even easier to litigate. You will find that BofA will REFUSE to negotiate until the suit is filed. That comment is based on a combination of other cases, which were purely BofA cases.

I'd recommend finding an attorney who has been doing work with residential real estate law that involves working with lenders. You don't want someone who transferred their practice into this realm of law when the real estate crash occurred. You also have to avoid those who are simply hot to slap together a new modification package.

Another resource could be if you know and can trust the advice of someone who has been a mortgage broker in your area and who may know an attorney to recommend. Even there, beware that some mortgage brokers are not as savvy as the next. I know of local mortgage broker who did not tell her own friend, who had a BofA-Litton case like mine, to hire an attorney.
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