Old 08-31-2009, 11:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Advice needed regarding getting a car...

I'm sure I'll get a few people who think I'm insane, but I'm looking for all sides of advice.

We have a car loan through a local credit union. 9.75% and we owe about $8000 on the car. Well, this car is taking a dump and we're going to have to end up putting a decent amount of money in it for repairs (probably over $2k, and that's with free/cheap labor and we don't have that kind of $).

It doesn't qualify for cash for clunkers (which I think ended last week anyways).

So, here's what we're thinking. A different credit union has already approved us for a new car loan at 8.14% for 72 months. We are going to trade in our current car (we can get at least $4500, maybe $5000), and borrow $ from my dad for the upside down balance (we already have a loan from him that we're paying, would raise our payment to him probably $50/month). Going this route will lower our monthly car payment $100. We're thinking a Toyota Camry, since we already have a Toyota (different veh) and we know it can handle our driving.

Honestly, if I'm making payments on a car, I do not want to be paying to do massive service. It's only 2.5 years old and we're having to do this kind of service...what's to say that we're not going to have to do more massive service once the power train warranty is gone (another 20K miles, and we do A LOT of driving).

We're trying to get the MHA loan mod, and I'm not sure how a "new" loan would look. I mean, it lowers our monthly obligation, but we have it obligation for longer period of time. Thoughts?


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Old 08-31-2009, 11:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Advice needed regarding getting a car...

Persnally, I wouldn't commit to anything financial until my final modification is complete. That is just a personal opinion. I don't think HAMP is based on credit but it is based upon income/expenses. I would just hang in there and wait...
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Re: Advice needed regarding getting a car...

This is a REALLY tough situation.

You can NOT count on anything from CW/BofA.

CW/BofA are being outright deceitful in my own case and a number of other cases.

But obviously you have a car that is not going to last without an influx of cash.

Could you do any car-pooling with anyone for part of the mileage? Parking that car so the fix-it-or-trade-it decision can be delayed a little would be the best solution right now but I know it may be TOTALLY UNREALISTIC.

Would your dad be willing to have the car title and loan in his name? Maybe that would help. If he agrees and it helps, you'd need to make sure the insurance was set up correctly.

I don't know if there are other 'problems' with my 'solution'.
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Yes, a tricky situation. I say if it can wait until after the mod, then just wait till then to be safe.
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Re: Advice needed regarding getting a car...

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This is a REALLY tough situation.

You can NOT count on anything from CW/BofA.

CW/BofA are being outright deceitful in my own case and a number of other cases.

But obviously you have a car that is not going to last without an influx of cash.

Could you do any car-pooling with anyone for part of the mileage? Parking that car so the fix-it-or-trade-it decision can be delayed a little would be the best solution right now but I know it may be TOTALLY UNREALISTIC.

Would your dad be willing to have the car title and loan in his name? Maybe that would help. If he agrees and it helps, you'd need to make sure the insurance was set up correctly.

I don't know if there are other 'problems' with my 'solution'.
Unfortunately, this is DH's car and there isn't anyone for him to carpool with and I take public transportation for 90% of my commute.

Our preapproval for the loan expires on the 10th. I'm scared that if we don't get it now, we're going to have a harder time getting financed because our credit will be FUBAR (although, I do have a 90-day reporting hold for the mortgage).

My dad would never put the car in his name, so unfortunately that's not an option.

I've already called the credit union to get an extention on the preapproval since it's been hard to find a car that the dealerships aren't trying to rape us on. Not sure if they'd do a 2nd extention without rerunning our credit...although it's tempting.

GAAH! This is not something I want to deal with!
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Re: Advice needed regarding getting a car...

Hi Mommybook. I don't really have any advice as I am somewhat in a similar situation. I just got turned down for the HAMP program (failed NPV test) and am about to start working on a regular modification and I'm driving a 10 year old car (a lot older than your car but it's in great condition) and I'm afraid that all of these mortgage lates will hurt me when I do try to get a car loan once I get all of this mortgage stuff straightened out. How late are you on your mortgage? Sorry to sidetrack but I just got a bit of hope when I read that you all got preapproved for an auto loan.

If anyone else has experience getting an auto loan with mortgage lates, feel free to chime in. I won't be looking to purchase a car until next year so I'm sure my score will have gone up some but it's still a lot to think about.

Thanks so much for your response and good luck in whatever you decide to do.
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Unfortunately, this is DH's car and there isn't anyone for him to carpool with and I take public transportation for 90% of my commute.

Our preapproval for the loan expires on the 10th. I'm scared that if we don't get it now, we're going to have a harder time getting financed because our credit will be FUBAR (although, I do have a 90-day reporting hold for the mortgage).

My dad would never put the car in his name, so unfortunately that's not an option.

I've already called the credit union to get an extention on the preapproval since it's been hard to find a car that the dealerships aren't trying to rape us on. Not sure if they'd do a 2nd extention without rerunning our credit...although it's tempting.

GAAH! This is not something I want to deal with!
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I think you have to prioritize your priority. What good will a new loan for a new car is, if your loan modification will be disapprove because of that loan. I have read a problem similar to this where one of the loansafe members was denied because they have borrowed money from their 401k to pay off their other bills, their lender denied their Loan Modification for that reason. My suggestion is for you to wait until your loan modification request is approve, and don't worry about the preapproval offer expires in 10 days.

The good months to buy a car is from July through 0ctober and December, don't buy in November, January to June. I just bought a brand new car because my 2002 Toyota that my husband and I gave to our daughter needs a $1400 repair. She will not qualify for a new loan due to her school loans and other bills. So my husband and I drove from San Diego to Los Angeles and gave her our 2006 Toyota Corolla and drove that car back to San Diego. The car still drives ok. But needs to replace a bulb to pass a smog test which caused about $1400. I searched online and I found this website on how to buy a car and negotiate with your dealer;

New Car Buying Tips: Dealer fees, haggling tips, scams to avoid.;

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http://www.carbuyingtips.com/camry_offer.xls

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http://www.carbuyingtips.com/Car_Loan_Calc_CE.xls

I checked this website and carefully read all the tips and instuctions. I checked edmunds.com and look for a car that I can afford

One of their tips is the best time to buy a car is the months of:
July to 0ctober and December, don't buy a car without incentives or rebates, don't tell your car dealer how much you can afford to pay by monthly payments, instead negotiate the selling price and interest. When buying a car make sure that you know the dealer's cost or the invoice cost and the msrp cost, the msrp is higher than the invoice cost.

When you negotiate the selling price negotiate with the invoice cost however you have to deduct at least 3% of the selling price for hold back because the dealer gets paid 3% of the factory hold back when the car gets sold, deduct the floor plan fees about $200. Actually the only thing you pay when buying a car is the selling price, the sales tax, dmv fees, warranty or your options, destination fees about $720, the rest can be negotiated.


Don't buy a used car, why are you going to spend an X amount of dollar for someone's headache. The previous owner got rid of that old car because of the problems they were having so why buy it. They also said to be careful buying a used car because some of them was sold to the dealer without the title, the dealer just got the registration and not the title but it costs a lot of headaches to the new owner.

I checked New Cars, Used Cars, Car Reviews and Pricing - Edmunds.com and put my zip code and checked the car that I wanted. Following the instuctions they gave me. When my husband and I got to the dealer, they only have msrp but they didn't have the invoice costs. I already know how to negotiate thanks to the website above. I used to be a monthly payment buyer, when I go the dealer I used to tell them I can only afford to pay this amount of money a month. I also know that there's a rebate of $2000 and the interest is 6.39%. We were back and forth negotiating the price. They told me because of my short sale experian still shows I still owe $93k I was ready for that because the site recommended to bring your credit report, a print out from Kelly Blue book of how much is the value of my car and the printout from edmunds.com of actually how much I need to pay for the car I wanted.,

We agreed to the amount that I've compared from edmunds.com, actually I only overpaid $67, not bad. When we went to the finance office, the guy wants us to sell warranty, alarm, gap coverage. I said no, he negotiated and we negotiated back and forth, until he gave us the lo jack and the gap, lower our payments and gave us a 60 months financing with ZERO INTEREST, and the rebate of $1500 instead of $2000. We took it since the interest is ZERO, no down payment but just the trade in. Kelly blue book was closed to the amount they gave us for my 2002 Toyota.

So dont worry about the preapproval expiring, car dealers are desperate to sell you a car as long as you have the means to do it and a credit score of 600.My husband's credit score went down from 750 to 698 but we still got approved.

Thank God, hope this helps.
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We're trying to get the MHA loan mod, and I'm not sure how a "new" loan would look. I mean, it lowers our monthly obligation, but we have it obligation for longer period of time. Thoughts?
Are you insane? Just kidding. Your supposed to be selling everything you own, not buying. I just dumped my wifes explorer to reduce my debt, shes on foot now but we dropped a $400. monthly payment. We have to share my car and I'm not so happy about that, but when the going gets tough, the tough get going.
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Re: Advice needed regarding getting a car...

I would get the car, cause it may be your last chance, the way these bankers want your credit is on trash side so if they mod you and want only half payments per say then they will report you as late and trash your credit then give you the real mod...
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I would get the car, cause it may be your last chance, the way these bankers want your credit is on trash side so if they mod you and want only half payments per say then they will report you as late and trash your credit then give you the real mod...
And the mod will impact your credit. Not sure how much of an impact it will have, but there are new credit reporting guidelines this month on how HAMP is to be reported to the credit bureaus. You will be reported as paying on a modified payment through a government plan (something to that effect). I've posted about that on the sticky (Please only post... at the top of the page). I have a lease due up in May. While a car may not be essential since I have no job to go to, I do have two little ones at home and my husband works an hour away and spends at least one or two nights away from home. I need the ability to take the kids to the doctor's, etc. I have no idea what I will do come May, but I'm hoping things will have improved by then.
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Re: Advice needed regarding getting a car...

IMO you would be making a HUGE mistake buying a new car at this time.
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I think if your father is willing to loan you the difference you would be upsidedown on (3500-4000), it would be wisest to fix the car....... That way you are not adding new credit. I think new credit would hamper the mod. If the car is only 2 years old, check for recalls first before you repair.

Our second car in broken down and husband and I share.... It sucks, but sometimes you gotta do stuff that sucks when times are tight.

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Re: Advice needed regarding getting a car...

I agree. We only have one car. Sucks big time, but for now that's the way it has to be. Maybe in a few years I can get my own car. I hate not having a car, but I'd rather have somewhere to live than live in a car.
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I agree. We only have one car. Sucks big time, but for now that's the way it has to be. Maybe in a few years I can get my own car. I hate not having a car, but I'd rather have somewhere to live than live in a car.
I agree it does suck. DH & I shared a car for 3.5 years. This past February we got a second car. For a brief period of time he was able to take company truck home. I hated to take on a second car payment...as we were already in over our heads with this house. But, my son has a speech delay and also he is starting pre-school this year. I am a SAHM and I am going from only needing to go out to run errands, doc appoints etc to needing to drive 5 x a week for his pre-school and speech appointments. If you CAN try to share....this can work for some...but others with conflicting schedules might not work.
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I agree it does suck. DH & I shared a car for 3.5 years. This past February we got a second car. For a brief period of time he was able to take company truck home. I hated to take on a second car payment...as we were already in over our heads with this house. But, my son has a speech delay and also he is starting pre-school this year. I am a SAHM and I am going from only needing to go out to run errands, doc appoints etc to needing to drive 5 x a week for his pre-school and speech appointments. If you CAN try to share....this can work for some...but others with conflicting schedules might not work.
sahm2two - We have so much in common...my 2 year old has a speech delay (he's going to a Mom's Morning Out program two days a week) and my almost 4 yr old is starting preschool this year (it's only two days a week, not five). We get speech therapy at home (guess it all depends on where you live and how old the child is). My husband and I could never share a car since he is gone so much and works so far away. This is the first week in the last four weeks he will not be gone Mon to Thur out of town.
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Unfortantely we can't share a car. He works 30 miles North of where we live and he works 9-5. I work at least 50-55 miles West of the house and I work 7:30-4:30. I leave for work at 5:30 AM, take the bus from the park and ride to the train station, hop on the train to the car in the other county, drop my daughter off at daycare then drive to work (another 10 miles or so). I also have to have the ability to drive to work when needed for offsite trainings/drills/emergency response.
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I think if your father is willing to loan you the difference you would be upsidedown on (3500-4000), it would be wisest to fix the car....... That way you are not adding new credit. I think new credit would hamper the mod. If the car is only 2 years old, check for recalls first before you repair.

Our second car in broken down and husband and I share.... It sucks, but sometimes you gotta do stuff that sucks when times are tight.

Good Luck!

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It's got two recalls on it. One we've taken it in four times for repairs, they still haven't fixed it. The other, they aren't taking vehicles in for repair yet (it has to do with the brakes/ABS too...so that's reassuring).

I've also taken it in for the warranty work regarding the power steering issue that we're having. They swear they can't find anything wrong with it, but I'm telling you, SOMETHING is wrong.
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Tough decision damned if you do and damned if you don't! All the lenders care about is you making your mortgage payment. They could care less if the car you drive to get to the job that pays your mortgage dies. They could care less if you are able to buy food. Seeing that they factor what one can afford on gross. This is crazy! We pay our bills out of net pay and not gross. Tough situation. Good luck to you!
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It really comes down to what you need more, a car, or a house. The gamble is not worth it to me, I would rather walk if I have to. Things will get better eventually, that would be the time to think about buying a new car.
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There is more than one way to solve a problem, buying a new car is not the way to go when you are desperately trying to save your house.
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Re: Advice needed regarding getting a car...

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I personally would get the car if you feel you need to. I don't think it will have anything to do with the Mod at all. All of us need some sort of quality of life whatever it may be. If I were to loose my house I would sure want a car so I could continue to get to work and get my family where they need to be. A newer car is just one thing less you have to worry about.
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It's only 2.5 years old and we're having to do this kind of service...what's to say that we're not going to have to do more massive service once the power train warranty is gone
This is called trading a new car in for a new car in my book, maybe I'm in a different universe than everyone else.
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This is called trading a new car in for a new car in my book, maybe I'm in a different universe than everyone else.
This is a want, not a need. The car is under warranty.
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This is a want, not a need. The car is under warranty.
Not if it's over the mileage. This car has about 85K miles. New car warranties specifically say "__ years or __ miles". We're over the miles.

But you're right about one thing, it is a want. Because I want to be able to go to work. If I don't work, I can't afford my house. If I don't have a car, I can't go to work. One leads to the other. I'm sorry but walking over 30 miles to work is out of the question. Buying a new car may not be the best idea, but I classify it as a need, not a want.

The main concern was whether or not it would give BofA cause to deny our mod. Judging by most of the responses here, I would guess that yes, it would, so it's probably in our best interest not to get the new car now. Hopefully this one doesn't die before our mod is done, otherwise we're up a creek without a paddle.

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Well, do what you think is best for you I guess, but as you can see there is a lot of different ways of looking at things. No harm intended either way.
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