Old 04-30-2009, 02:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

Hello all,
Let make my story short.

We owe ~$343k on our loan (one loan only)
Currently house value ~$280k

My wife lost her job back in Nov. 2008 and couldn't find a job so she went back to school as of last quarter. We just had a new baby boy in Jan. 30th 2009. Since Nov/2008, we've been borrowing money from family members and friends to keep up with the mortgage. We max out our credit cards and we can no longer borrow money from family & friends.

We're one month late. I've been calling CW for help, but as you all know, they're helpless. I finally talked with one of the loan offier trying to refinance and she could save us $89/month and the loan fee is $8000. :-) I told her we can't afford that, then she gave me a number to fax in my pay stub, tax return, bank statement...etc.. and I DID fax in everything they asked for.

I just called them again this morning they said they denied my loan modification request because i am not underwater and I am only one month behind. I told them my issues again, but they said, "do you want to pay now before we report to the credit bureau."

Anyway, I don't care about foreclosure anymore. All I care is to be able to take care of my new baby. So, I want to save as much as I can to take care of my baby.

My questions:
1) If I stop making monthly payment, how long can I stay in the house?
2) will I have problem renting an apartment later?
3) what would be your advise?


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Old 04-30-2009, 02:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: CW denied loan modification. What's next? Please help!

Hello Sqa. Welcome to the forum. If you want to try and save your home and this is the only property you own, you may want to contact the NACA (neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America). They are a HUD approved, non-profit organization that helps troubled homeowners in their fight for a decent loan modification. Their services are free. They have helped many here in this forum (including myself). The link below will take you to their website and the online submission for their HOME SAVE PROGRAM.

https://www.naca.com/refinance/refinanceTenStep.jsp
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NACA question

Hello all,
I've just submitted my information (Stage 2) on NACA. I am having difficulty with stage 3 (counseling appointment by phone). I selected the desired appoint date and clicked search, but nothing came back and all my input got reset. The "Show Next 5 Days" button doesn't work, nothing happen when I click on it. I tried logged out and back in again, but didn't help.

Please show me how to get this going. Thanks
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: NACA question

It was suggested that the info won't come up until a few days after your #3 info is submitted.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: NACA question

Thank you.

So, I'll wait a few days and try to make an appoint with the Counseling again.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: NACA question

You can also call and make an appointment over the phone. I would definitely call as soon as possible so they can start on your case as soon as possible.
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Re: CW denied loan modification. What's next? Please help!

Good Morning Sqa,

The number to the NACA is: 888-302-6222
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Re: CW denied loan modification. What's next? Please help!

sqa4life,
when you make your appt with NACA try to schedule at list 2 time periods. They may also call you an hour before or after your scheduled appt which has happened to us plenty of times but they will call. I know that it will be very frustrating waiting for the phone to ring, but it will, we have been there. They are very good and will listen and try to help as much as they can, unlike CW, they don't want to help anyone. Also, we are 9 months behind and are still living in our home, our mod is at CW now and we should be hearing from NACA next week about our mod. It will take time but you have to be patient, I know it is very hard, believe me, but NACA will definitely help you out. Hang in there, NACA will make it happen.
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Re: CW denied loan modification. What's next? Please help!

Thank you for all your help and encourage. That made me feel better!
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Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

Hello,
We've missed two payments (April & May). CW called a couple times. We submitted application for loan modification and was denied right away. Credit reported just show up as 2 late payments and score dropped over 100 points (who cares).

Anyway, we had two interviews with NACA so far. Our next/last one will be next Tuesday, because NACA needs our home owner insurance policy and HOA document. Just faxed them over today.

My question:
Will CW (B of A) continue with the foreclosure process regardless of if NACA submitted the request for loan mod?
Usually how long does the foreclosure take?

I am thinking of hiring an agent with short sale experience and hope to short sale so I can buy another house after two years. I live in WA and only have one loan and I have no assets anyway :-).

Thanks for your advise/suggestion.
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

My situation is similar..I am two months behind, NACA submitted to CW on 4/17. They tell me they are going forward with foreclosure. I do not understand why they cant postpone things until at least the mod is considered.
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

Yes, they will go forward with foreclosure proceedings even if you are being considered for a mod. Our NACA file was submitted to CW on 1/29 and we have an auction date scheduled for next month. You would think that they would put it off until the mod is considered, but unfortunately, that isn't the case.

Good luck to you!
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:42 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

Good morning everyone.

Interesting remarks with regard to B of A's procedures. It appears that everyone is not being treated the same and there does not appear to be any rhyme or reason to it all. Remember, there are things going on behind closed doors and in back room meetings we have no access to. These companies are soulless entities and the people working for them have been taken into the folds of a philosophy that cares nothing about our meaningless little problems.

Lets face it, we took a gamble-most of us anyway. I certainly did. I was ill informed and got wrapped up in the so called "American Dream"of owning a home. Everyone around me was telling me this is what I needed in my life, but what I missed was the fact that there is a proven formula that one can use to make the dream a blessing. The formula I used has made this situation a curse-or has it?

I am currently in "RECAST" status. Get this, how about I make you a loan for the amount you are currently in arrears, place these thousands of dollars in a separate account, and then have you make an additional payment on this account but leave your mortgage alone so that you know have the same payment plus the additional RECAST payment each month. Sound good to anyone here?

This is exactly the type of offer I've been in consideration for since 03/31/2009. I have told B of A I will refuse this idiotic offer, and still they continue to move forward on it.

When I ask them the time line between refusal/denial of mod and the notice of default, I am told this is an unanswerable question. I already know that there is 110 days from the day of filing of this notice and the lien sale per California State Law.

Any and all information with specific regard to the time line mentioned above will be greatly appreciated. Of course, a short sale would be my next best move in lieu of foreclosure.It seems there are hidden agenda's within all we face in this horrible mess. But, I have had the best of educations with regard to financial matters big and small. An education that rivals the best of any University. My life has been changed, all for the better.

Thank you all,
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:48 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

BOA told me something similar. I'm in "pre-forclosure" with 5 months due...they told me the foreclosure will stand....however they informed me that the sale date has been suspended. Not sure if I beleive that or not just yet...but I did submit the NACA paperwork and questionairre..and have a phone appointment tomorrow evening....so I'm hoping that something can be done. CW/BOA asked me to send in everything for the Affordable home modifcation program also...but the next rep I spoke to said she wasn't sure I qualified...but she did say "I guess go ahead and try". VERY frustrating.
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

David,

Geesh, I don't blame you...I would not accept that ridiculous offer, either. That is absurd!

Have you tried contacting NACA to find out whether or not they can assist you?
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

This is what I find unbelievable about this whole "loan mod" process:
1. The amount of misinformation that the reps give out when customers call.
2. The fact that so many programs are announced one after the other and advertised on the websites, yet all you ever get from the reps is the line "we won't have any information on how to implement that program for two weeks....". Needless to say, that "two weeks" never seems to arrive.
3. The fact that some homeowners miss one or two payments and are suddenly in "foreclosure" with actual sale dates that are only weeks away!! And they are in the middle of loan mods!!!
4. That the committee that is supposed to be overseeing this whole modification "program" for the government....is swamped with infighting and not holding the banks that were given bailout funds accountable for the shoddy way they are handling things.
5. The fact that "negotiators" and "reps" are in India! This galls me to no end...people who are probably paid less than minimum wage, living halfway across the world are deciding my fate and that of countless others involved in this process!!
6. That they will take less money from an "investor" when selling on the courthouse steps...rather than take more (but still less than the original mtg amount) from the original buyer!!!
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

Sorry, got off on a tangent with my previous post!

I would say try NACA to get your loan modified.
www.naca.com go to the HomeSave area
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

This was on MSN's website today. Thought you might enjoy.

Published May 8, 2009

Playing chicken with your home lender


If you've been tempted to skip a few mortgage payments to try to persuade your lender to modify your loan, you may want to resist that temptation. Whether your goal is to stave off foreclosure or just to make your payments more affordable, experts say deliberate delinquency is not as smart as it may seem.

The bottom line is that:

If you can make your payment, you should do so.

If you can't, you shouldn't.

If you're in between, you should get help to assess your situation.

"Back in the day, (lenders) would only provide modifications to people who were significantly behind because that evidenced that they truly needed the loan modified. They were of that mind-set, and they didn't realize the enormity of the problem," says Gail Cunningham, a spokeswoman for the National Foundation for Credit Counseling in Silver Spring, Md. "But now they've realized that the logic of making someone become delinquent and dig a deep financial hole before you help them was really not good for anyone."

You don't have to be behind
That new thinking can be seen on some, though by no means all, of the lenders' Web sites, which have been updated to suggest, however subtly, that a late payment may no longer be a prerequisite to a loan modification. Here are two examples:

Chase's Web site states: "If you are current on your mortgage, but have had (or are facing) a change in personal circumstances, such as an uncontrollable reduction in income or increase in payment that will create a financial hardship, and feel you are at risk of losing your home, your next step will be to determine if you may qualify for loan modification."

Bank of America/Countrywide's Web site states: "If you think you might fall behind on your payments or have already missed a payment, our specialists will work with you to determine your eligibility for one or more of these potential solutions: refinancing, extending the term of the loan, interest rate reductions, temporarily freezing monthly mortgage payments, extended repayment schedules (or) decreasing the principal balance of the loan."

Christine Holevas, a spokeswoman for JPMorgan Chase in Chicago, declined to comment on whether homeowners should make a late payment to better their odds of a loan modification. But she reiterated some standard advice: You shouldn't wait until you've missed a payment to contact your loan servicer. Instead, you should pick up the phone as soon as you believe you may be in danger of delinquency.

"If you think you're in trouble, contact your servicer. You do not have to be late. You do not have to have missed a payment. Contact your servicer so they will know and they can start the process," Holevas says.

Missed payments disqualify borrowers
The federal government's new Making Home Affordable plan may be another reason lenders have tweaked their policies with respect to delinquency and loan modifications. The new plan, which includes a loan modification program and a refinance program, offers lenders new incentives to participate.

The loan modification program is open to borrowers who have missed one or more payments, but a missed payment is not a requirement. In fact, the FAQs for this program state that "responsible borrowers who are struggling to remain current on their mortgage payments are eligible if they are at risk of imminent default." Risk of default might involve a mortgage payment that has reset and is no longer affordable, a significant loss of income or other types of hardship.

The refinance program is open only to homeowners who haven't made a payment more than 30 days late within the past 12 months. The FAQs state that "borrowers who are currently delinquent or have been 30 days overdue more than once during the past 12 months will not qualify."

That means if you deliberately missed a mortgage payment, you've likely disqualified yourself from this program.

Missed payments wreck credit scores
If you're still tempted to skip a payment, you should be aware that that choice will harm your credit scores, says Craig Watts, the public affairs manager in San Rafael, Calif., for Fair Isaac, the developer of FICO scores.

Credit scores weigh the recentness, severity and frequency of your delinquent accounts, Watts says. That means the more recent a missed payment, the greater its negative effect on your scores. Payments more than 90 days late will cause the most damage, and a pattern of delinquent accounts will hurt more than an isolated incident.

Lower credit scores might seem a small price compared with the prospect of a cheaper mortgage payment. However, those lower scores will have consequences that shouldn't be taken lightly. If your scores drop, you'll have more difficulty refinancing your mortgage, getting a car loan, obtaining new credit cards or opening new accounts at retail stores. You also could be required to make cash deposits to obtain utility, cable TV or phone service, Watts says.

The favorable terms you've enjoyed on your existing credit accounts could be altered as well, Cunningham says.

What's more, if you willfully skip a mortgage payment, you'll still owe that amount, plus additional interest and penalties that can add up fast. If you miss several payments, you might not be able to recover financially even if your lender modifies your loan. And if you eventually lose your home to foreclosure, you might find it hard to rent a place to live once your credit scores have been damaged.

Long-term prognosis is key
But suppose your financial situation is such that you cannot make your mortgage payment and must conserve cash. Should you sell your car, borrow money from your family, tap into your retirement accounts or resort to other one-time fixes to make sure you don't miss a payment even if foreclosure is a near certainty or the financial or emotional burden of your house payment is insupportable?

The answer depends on your own situation, but the anticipated duration of your financial setback and what Cunningham calls the "long-term sustainability" of your loan should be important considerations. For example, if you've lost your job but expect to find another position quickly, you might want to find a way to get past the problem and keep your home. On the other hand, if your situation isn't that easily mended, you might not want to take drastic measures to save your home.

Perhaps the best advice for homeowners who are caught in a conundrum of whether to make their mortgage payments or give priority to credit card bills or other financial obligations is to get help. Cunningham says homeowners should consult a mortgage counselor who has been trained and certified by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. Counseling services are provided free by nonprofit agencies.
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I guess if its in print, then it all must be true!!!!!!!!
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

I have a second mortgage with citimortgage that i was wondering about. Has anyone tried to work with them? My 1st with wells fargo went pretty good, but house payment didnt drop much. Would like to see if i could work with citi too. Thanx
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

I think the above article is from the lenders. They're trying to suck your last drop of blood.

We were underwater since Nov, 2008 and have been borrowed money from family members to keep up with the mortgage payments. Until late March 2009, we know can no longer borrow more $ and we called our servicer (CW) and asked for help, they don't even want to talk to us. The first reps said, "you're not behind so there is nothing we can do". What the heck! They forced us to walk away!!!! They are the ones who ruin the economy.
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

I knew I was heading into troubled waters 6 months in advance....I called my mortgage company and explained the hardship that was looming. They did not want to hear it.....took them 4 months to give me an unacceptable loan modification that did not address the hardship. I have the id# of the call in which the rep from India told me "You won't get any real help until you are two months late with your payment..." .

I am now heading into 3 months that I haven't paid the mortgage...which is very frustrating to me. I do not want to start with the partial payments, if they give me a decent loan mod, I will give them whatever I have saved in one lump sum towards the principal. Otherwise, I walk away.
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

Dear Friends,

The posted article is without a doubt the biggest bunch of @#$% ! It is written on the premise that the all mighty FICO is the end all, be all to living our lives with anything that resembles happiness. Its a lie! I have no credit cards and am never going to attain/use one for the rest of my life. For all who worship at the altar of the great FICO, I hope you all awaken to find out just how absolutely taken in you have been by the deception.

CW is sending me a package tomorrow via FEDEX. They claim it has documents detailing a loan mod which reduces our mortgage payment. I've been told this new payment will need to be made on a trial basis for 3 months, after which the loan will be modified permanently. People, unless this offer is one which affords me long term financial peace, which I highly doubt, I will decline it and seek a better life back in apartment living from whence I came.

For those who might be worried about attaining a place to live, fear not. I have been in contact with several complexes in my area here in the bay area(ca) and they all are accepting people like us, as long as the foreclosure is the only derogatory item on your report. They have been left little choice as 95% of their applicants are in the same boat.

Good luck to you all. I too tried to work with the lender and started long before going into arrears. Over 8 months prior to be exact. I too was told"sorry, you are current-we have no programs for people like you".

There is no equity in our society. We are prisoners to the world of credit. We have been sold an idea, you can get whatever you desire through leveraging your incomes to the hilt. Folks-your income is your greatest wealth building tool. But, how can you build anything with it when it goes out to pay a myriad of payments each and every month. We have become slaves to the great FICO score! Its nothing more than an I Love DEBT score!

If you are paying more than 25% of your take home pay for mortgage- get out of your house and regroup.

all the best!
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

thanks wingman69.

i was just approved for a loan mod and drastic reduction in my mtg payment. I feel like it is a second chance for me to correct the errors I made with my use of credit. In addition to completely paying off my credit cards, i will close all but one of them for emergency purposes. Like you, i was a slave to my fico score and paid heavily for it.

this entire experience has made me a better person and very cautious of banks and their products. I only pay cash for my purchases and plan to do so unless i truly am unable to.

thank you for your advice
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Re: Missed April & May payment, late payments reported, NACA started

I hear you, Wingman and itscatnip! If I don't get the drastic loan mod I need, then I will have to mail the keys in. I am so sick of all this FICO crap.....I have only one credit card I actually use and I try never to keep a balance on it.......if I can help it!
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