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Old 03-17-2010, 02:09 PM   #1
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Denied for HAMP, not counting HELOC

We have been trying to get a modification (HAMP) for a year now from Citimortgage. We finished a 4 month trial period this last December. We paid the modified amount in January and then we were told that we were denied because we have too much equity. They appraised our home at 403K and our first is for $345K. I informed them that we have a HELOC for 103K, so we do not have any equity. I've been told by some Citimortgage reps. that a HELOC doesn't count, others say it does. They said they would put the numbers in the "tool" again and we are waiting for an answer. So does anyone know? Does the HELOC count or do we really have equity?

That was my main question, but here's the rest of the rats nest we're in and we are looking for some guidance. Our income was cut in half two years ago (reason for mod), we have gone through all our savings, retirement, and credit to keep our home. Now, we have been waiting for this modification, if it comes through we will be able to make the payments. We have been strongly considering bankruptcy and trying to keep our home. We've been told to wait until the modification is made permanent before we start the bankruptcy process.

We have an affordable home which means that if we want to sell it we have to offer it to the county first for $278K (we owe $448K on it, including the HELOC). We considered a chapt 13 (after mod.) and lien stripping the HELOC, this would only happen if they considered the county buyback amount of $278K as the value of the home (so the HELOC would be totally unsecured). If we did get a HAMP modification because we have that HELOC (and therefor no equity) would there be any issue if we then turned around and lien stripped the HELOC?

If the HAMP falls through, does anyone know how long a traditional modification would take? Would it be similar terms to the HAMP? Our original mortgage payment was $2,350 and HAMP amount was $1,515.
Thank you for any help!


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Re: Denied for HAMP, not counting HELOC

For the net present value test, sorry to say its only the 1st. The investor on the 1st could care less about the 2nd if there is equity in the 1st the investor is secure and often fails the NPV test.

If you believe the FMV is way to high , check other sites like Zillow etc. If you HAVE to offer it to the county first that should be the value but have no idea how they look at it.

Your HELOC probably isn't also with Citi. THEre have been a few cases of mods of both together if the investor is the same on both - so they also would face a loss on the 2nd. But if as is usually the case different investors HAMP NPV only looks the 1st. And if same investors would have to be inhouse mod.
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Old 03-18-2010, 10:25 AM   #3
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Re: Denied for HAMP, not counting HELOC

Thank you! It seems like the reps. at Citimortgage should know this information. Our HELOC is with Citi and we've been working with someone in the Executive Response Unit. She noticed that the HELOC was with Citi last week and said that there must have been some mistake, she was going to run the "tool" again with the HELOC included. We're not very hopeful.
So, just to be clear, is it that Citi may give us an in house mod but not a HAMP mod? That the HAMP tool will not take into account our HELOC even if they are both through Citi? Or is it the decision of Citimortgage if they are going to include our HELOC when they enter the numbers into the "tool"? Thank you again
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Was the Citi HELOC "purchase money", that is, taken out same time as the 1st mortgage, part of 80/20 or similar deal?
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No, the HELOC was taken out separately, two years after our first.
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