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New fico credit report of trial modifications

FICO says new mortgage changes won't hurt score

Kathleen Pender
Saturday, October 31, 2009




Like many people doing or considering a mortgage modification, David L. of Oakland wonders how it will affect his credit score.
Unlike most people in this situation, David has never missed credit payments and has a very high FICO score of 810. But when David, who works for the state of California, suffered a 15 percent pay cut as a result of the state's three-day-per-month furlough program, he asked his mortgage lender to lower his payment under the government's Home Affordable Modification Program.
"Four months into the process, they told me that if I were to start the modification process and they lowered my loan payments, my credit score would be negatively affected," David says. "I am considering not proceeding with the modification because I am concerned about how it would affect my credit score. What they couldn't tell me is how much it would affect my credit score. Would it be more like missing a payment or more like a short sale or foreclosure?"
Up until today, lenders reported mortgage modifications various ways. Some reported them as paid as agreed. But a lot were reporting them as partial payments, which have a very negative impact on a person's FICO score. "That is a serious derogatory, in the same category as a foreclosure or short sale," says FICO spokesman Craig Watts.
Jasmine Bendon of Ventura says her FICO scores dropped from the mid-700s to the low-600s after her lender put her on a trial modification and reported it as a partial payment. On the plus side, the trial modification has cut her monthly payment by $1,300.
New reporting plan

Starting today, lenders have a new, more benign way to report government-sponsored loan modifications.
Under guidelines put out by the Consumer Data Industry Association, lenders should report them as a "loan modified under a federal government plan," says Norm Magnuson, a spokesman for the association, which represents credit bureaus.
FICO - the leading provider of credit scores - will ignore this new notation for the time being. It will neither help nor hurt a person's credit score until FICO decides how to treat it.
"Once there is enough documented performance for people who went through (a federal modification), we will be able to assess the accumulated data to determine how predictive it is," says FICO spokesman Craig Watts. "The analysts prefer having at least a year's worth of performance data" before making any changes to its credit-scoring formula.
That should help people like David who have not started a modification.
Under the association's guidelines, if a person is current with his mortgage payments before and during a trial modification period (typically three months), the lender is supposed to report it as current, Magnuson says.
Starting today, if the modification is approved after the trial period, the lender adds a comment that it was modified under a federal plan instead of the dreaded "partial payment."
If the loan was at least 30 days past due before the trial modification, payments during the trial period "will not bring it current," Magnuson says. The lender "still reports the appropriate level of delinquency." But if the modification is approved, it will be reported as modified under a federal plan.
Caveats

The new designation could hurt a borrower down the road if FICO decides to treat it as a risk factor. But even if it never enters the scoring formula, potential lenders can see it on an applicant's credit report and decide for themselves how to treat it.
"We have in the past looked beyond a credit score at someone's full credit history and we will continue to do that," says Tom Kelly, a spokesman for Chase.
The new guidelines won't help people who have already modified a loan, although a lender could, at its discretion, apply them retroactively, Magnuson says.
Magnuson says the new category was created at the behest of the U.S. Treasury Department, which did not return my request for comment.
The new reporting guidelines do not apply to loans that are refinanced or put into forbearance. They have their own, separate reporting guidelines.
Nor do they apply to loans modified outside of government programs.
Consumer advice

Should borrowers like David with good credit scores go ahead with modifications?
"First off, make sure it is a government-sponsored loan modification and not a home-grown one," says John Ulzheimer, president of consumer education with Credit.com. "Also, ask the lender up front: 'Will you continue to report me as current during the trial period?' "
If the answers to both questions are yes, Ulzheimer would proceed with a modification, knowing it could dent your score if FICO ultimately treats it negatively.
Sheri Powers, director of the homeownership center at the Unity Council in Oakland, says, "You have to set priorities: Do you want to keep your house or your perfect credit score? Why do you need a perfect score? So you can get more debt?"
Net Worth runs Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays. E-mail Kathleen Pender at kpender@sfchronicle.com.
FICO says new mortgage changes won't hurt score
This article appeared on page F - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
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Old 10-31-2009, 08:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: New fico credit report of trial modifications

This is just my personal opinion, but when I was going through the loan mod, I wanted and needed my payment to be reduced so bad that I couldn't care less if it effected my credit score. It ended up not making any difference, because my mortgage company stopped reporting all together until the mod was complete and now it states paying on time and as agreed. I think if anyone really needs a mod, don't worry about your score!!! Being able to have a more affordable payment is much more important then keeping a high FICO. If you can't get a mod, your credit will be effected anyway, because you won't be able to afford your mortgage or your other bills. I hate these FICO scores!!!! I wish they would be banned!
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Re: New fico credit report of trial modifications

This will be good for those who end up getting mods but if banks are not even considering people who are current, you will still get a hit on your credit for the months that were delinquent and while waiting for them to look at your mod application.
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This will be good for those who end up getting mods but if banks are not even considering people who are current, you will still get a hit on your credit for the months that were delinquent and while waiting for them to look at your mod application.
Read around the forum, these bankers put you on 3 month trial, then if you qualify they make it a mod with 3 month trial so all in all it takes 6 months late payments this article is not up to snuff whith the real world
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Read around the forum, these bankers put you on 3 month trial, then if you qualify they make it a mod with 3 month trial so all in all it takes 6 months late payments this article is not up to snuff whith the real world
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I did not end up getting a mod. I now have late payments on my credit report (will remain there for 7 years).
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Re: New fico credit report of trial modifications

I gotta say I have given up looking at my credit score. My priority is to keep my house. I tried not to default, but it didn't work. So here I am and I still have a job and my health and just got offered a mod so there is light at the end of the tunnel. FICO cannot rule my life.
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amen caldwell, when it gets down to it, who cares about the scores. In tough times, we learn to pare down and enjoy the important things like your family and your health.
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Re: New fico credit report of trial modifications

I agree, saving my home is so much more important than my FICO score. I haven't looked at mine since we began this entire process. I figure the damage will still be there when we're done - but so will my home.
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Re: New fico credit report of trial modifications

On thing everyone should be aware of, this housing crisis has made history so i am sure FICO will re-evaluate how they score once they get so many homeowners requesting mods. Home delinquencies have doubled since last year, and there will be another wave of ARM's reseting so plan on more coming. Look at it like this, last year we had HOPE for homeowners which saved like 1% of homeowners, this year HAMP which has started off slow but is making some ground but bottom line its like a boat that is getting ready to sink. There are more holes (high delinquences) at the bottom then we can patch up (programs HAMP, HOPE etc). So eventually it will sink thus leading FICO to reduce there standards eventually.
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Re: New fico credit report of trial modifications

kjenkins, in other words, low fico scores will be the new normal. i am still afraid for our jobs. as more homes and commercial property fall delinquent, i am betting there are going to be even more massive job losses.
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Re: New fico credit report of trial modifications

i am seeking ways to sell products overseas. i cannot rely on keeping a job in this country. i see trouble on the horizon, and i did not like having my own housing crisis. we must find a way to survive.
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My two cents (and they are prescious metal at this point) --

If you are worried about your FICO score, you have learned nothing from this tiny adventure of the financial crisis.

Pay off everything that you owe, or don't at this point, and start clean. Pay cash. Put your money in a local insititution. Diversify your investments (and I don't mean in paper). Stash cash like a mad person until you can pay cash for whatever you need. Use credit only in dire situations -- and then pay it off.

I am 90 days late, and my credit cards don't reflect any change -- not interest rate nor credit line. BofA reported me late on my mortgage before I was 30 days late. I am paying credit cards off, and don't care what they chose to do with it. I was credit worthy BEFORE they screwed with me, and I Played the Game like a good little middle-class puppet. No more.

As long as we continue to buy into the credit game, the banks control you, and they control our government.

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AZowner, you are so right. Money talks not credit.
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Re: New fico credit report of trial modifications

Well you just have to make sure your ready to step up and wager your FICO score. Like playing poker. I suggest if your going to be late to make sure you wont need credit for a few years. For example cars are not high mileaged, credit cards are down or manageable, dont need anything pretty much.
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Re: New fico credit report of trial modifications

MY 2 cents.

If your biggest concern about getting a mod is dinging your credit score, do you really need one?
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Re: New fico credit report of trial modifications

I think anyone who has always had great credit and credit scores will have this dilemma with the mod. Those that really, really need the mod to keep their home will choose the mod over the credit score.
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I think anyone who has always had great credit and credit scores will have this dilemma with the mod. Those that really, really need the mod to keep their home will choose the mod over the credit score.
Exactly Mod over FICO thats really what everyone has to START thinking about. Swap excellent credit for a lower payment or keep up and hold onto your FICO which personally my 2 cents would rather wager the credit for a lower payment. Eventually homeowners will win both ways when FICO lossens there standards by recieving delinquiences from homeowners. Read somewhere 1 out 47 homes in US get a forclosure now. Remember thats foreclosure, as in thats the last leg of the race, so those ahead of foreclosures are in a short sales, then next are 60-90 day delinquenies, then 30 days (you get the point).
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I did not end up getting a mod. I now have late payments on my credit report (will remain there for 7 years).
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They are not happy till you get your credit smashed then they seem to talk my credit not crashed yet and Citi refuses to do anything
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Re: New fico credit report of trial modifications

When we started paying off our debts, our FICO score went down. We now only use cash. The only reason for us to use a credit score is to either buy another home or protect against identity theft. Prayerfully we will not have to buy another home anytime soon. FICO is nothing but an "I love debt score".
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