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How the housing rescue bill can help you


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The House is expected on Wednesday to pass a $300 billion housing rescue bill aimed at helping troubled homeowners avoid foreclosure and supporting mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

If the bill is then passed by the Senate and signed by President Bush, who today withdrew his threat to veto the legislation, thousands of at-risk borrowers will be able to refinance their unaffordable old mortgages into new low-cost fixed-rate loans insured by the Federal Housing Administration (FHA).

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 400,000 borrowers with $68 billion in loans may benefit from the program - but the bill allows for as many as 1 million or 2 million borrowers to participate in the program.

Here's what homeowners need to know.

Who's eligible?
Qualified borrowers must live in their homes and have loans that were issued between January 2005 and June 2007. Additionally, they must be spending at least 40% (Note: This is an error and should be 31% according to the actual bill text, see link to House.Gov PDF) of their gross monthly income on all household debt to be eligible for the program.

They can be up to date on their existing mortgage or in default, but either way borrowers must prove that they will not be able to keep paying their existing mortgage - and attest that they are not deliberately defaulting just to obtain lower payments.

Before homeowners can get FHA-backed mortgages, they must first retire any other debt on the home, such as a home equity loan or line of credit. Borrowers are not permitted to take out another home equity loan for at least five years, unless it's to pay for necessary upkeep on the home.

To get a new home equity loan, borrowers will need approval from the FHA, and total debt cannot exceed 95% of the home's appraised value at the time.

How can I apply?
Borrowers can contact their current mortgage servicer or go directly to an FHA-approved lender for help. These lenders can be found on the Web site of the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

How does the refinancing process work?
This is a voluntary program, so lenders holding the original mortgage have to agree to rework a given loan before things can get started. The bill requires lenders to make major concessions, writing down the value of the loan to 90% of the home's current value. In areas where prices have plummented by as much as 20%, that will mean a substantial loss for the lender.

But lenders won't sign off on a workout unless they think that they'll lose less money on that than they would by allowing a home to go through the costly foreclosure process.

Each loan will have to be underwritten by an FHA lender on a case-by-case basis. That means the banks will do a new appraisal to determine the home's current value, as well as examine and verify income statements, bank accounts, job histories and credit scores.

Based on that new appraised home value, the FHA lender must determine how much the original lender has to reduce the original mortgage, so that it will reflect 90% of the home's market value.

If the original lender agrees to the writedown, the new lender buys the old loan and takes over the reworked mortgage.

As part of the deal, the old lender writes off any fees and penalties on the original mortgage, including prepayment penalties, and accepts the proceeds from the new loan on a paid-in-full basis. Additionally, it pays the FHA an up-front premium equal to 3% of the mortgage principal.

What does it cost?
There should be little up-front costs for borrowers to bear. Loan origination fees will vary by lender, but these can usually be paid by the borrower over the life of the loan in the form of a slightly higher interest rate.

However, the refinanced loans do come with many strings. For one thing, borrowers are responsible for paying an insurance premium to the FHA guaranteeing the loan, which will be 1.5% of the principal annually.

Borrowers also agree to share any profits from future home-price appreciation with the FHA. To do that, they'll pay a "3% exit fee" of the mortgage principal to the FHA when they resell or refinance.

Plus, they'll agree to pay the FHA 100% of any profits they realize from higher home prices if they sell or refinance within a year. So if the original loan principal is $200,000 and the home sells for $250,000, the borrower will owe the FHA $50,000, minus costs.

After a year, borrowers will share 90% of the profits with the FHA. The percentage keeps dropping in 10% increments to 50% after the fifth year, where it stays.

What will I save?
Savings depend on what borrowers are paying for their present loan and where they live, but for most people it will be substantial, even after factoring in the FHA fees.

In areas that have sustained huge price drops, such as Sacramento, Calif., where prices have fallen by about 30% over the past year, some loans might be reduced by more than 40%.

Additionally, the FHA loans carry reasonable interest rates, which are fixed for the life of the loan, as opposed to a subprime adjustable-rate mortgage that can jump higher every six months.


How the housing rescue bill can help you - Jul. 23, 2008



The full text of the bill, with the 31% Debt to Income ratio listed on page 398:

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press..._bill_text.pdf


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Old 07-23-2008, 04:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

How do you qualify for this? The debt to income is 31% that is too low
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1) Primary residence, lender must participate
2) 2nd lender has to agree to wipe out debt (if applicable)
3) Your debt to income ratio must EXCEED 31%
4) Debt to income ratio is effective of 3/1/2008, so whatever it was on that date is what you would use as eligibility.
5) You can be current or behind on your mortgage, but must demonstrate the ability not to pay (either now or in the future).

Step #5 is where it gets hazy; I'm hoping I qualify but since I am current, I wonder what they'll really look for. I have a little bit of a surplus this month, but I don't have a family yet, etc..what happens when expenses rise? What happens when my car breaks down and I have to buy another one? Shrug.
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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

How is the devt to income ratio determined? Can we start the process now?

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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

So the difference is now the debt to income can exceed 31% thats great!
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How is the debt to income ratio determined? Can I start the process now? It's about time BUSH is waking up.

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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

What about those who bought in 2004 or earlier? Nothing for us?
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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

As usual, the Government makes it sound like they just did something wonderful which will help everyone who is struggling. You read the above, and get a migraine of trying to figure what is your debt to income ratio; what if you get a great deal to sell the house in 2 years yet you will owe a bunch of $$ to FHA, etc......no wonder the President allowed this to go through.
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As usual, the Government makes it sound like they just did something wonderful which will help everyone who is struggling. You read the above, and get a migraine of trying to figure what is your debt to income ratio; what if you get a great deal to sell the house in 2 years yet you will owe a bunch of $$ to FHA, etc......no wonder the President allowed this to go through.
I may be in the minority here but I actually think this is a good thing. It will show who really wants to keep their home and who is looking for an easy way to make a profit and go rent. Just my $.02.

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I may be in the minority here but I actually think this is a good thing. It will show who really wants to keep their home and who is looking for an easy way to make a profit and go rent. Just my $.02.

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I think it is a good thing too, but like I asked - what about those of us in the same boat that bought in fall of 2004? Should I write the governor? Who?
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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

It may be that they are looking at this as the peak of the bad originating, bad underwriting, bad loans, etc.
It certainly could not hurt to start writing letters, senators, congress, govenor, president, etc. Hit them all up.
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It may be that they are looking at this as the peak of the bad originating, bad underwriting, bad loans, etc.
It certainly could not hurt to start writing letters, senators, congress, govenor, president, etc. Hit them all up.
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I see you are in So cal, where abouts? I am too.
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covina (charter oak). where you?
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covina (charter oak). where you?
I am in San Diego. Are you happy yo are using an attorney? I will probably too.
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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

Is the key problem with the bill that your current lender has to agree to this.. I just dont see my current lender who I am current with allowing me to go into fixed rate at their lose. Right?
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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

Question: What if my loan was in 2004?

Looks like you may be out of luck, but perhaps your lender can still work something out; when the program gets going give them a call.

Question: Can I apply now?

I doubt it, even though the article says to contact your lender. The bill won't be law for a week, and the program doesn't officially start until October 1st.


Question: Will my lender participate?

As the article says, if they think you are a risk, then hopefully yes. Bank of America pushed for this program, so it's my *hope* that some BOA/Countrywide customers that are massively underwater will be able to participate.

Congress has threatened additional action if the lenders do not participate. That being said, if you have a second loan from another lender, then they have to agree also (not likely). If you have a home equity loan (not a purchase money loan, but something used to buy your car) then that has to be paid off in order to participate as well.


Question: How do I calculate my Debt To Income ratio?

It depends what they will consider, but generally mortgage, property taxes, home insurance, association dues, loans, and credit card payments all qualify.

Use a calculator:
usnews.com: Personal finance: Debt-to-income ratio calculator


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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

What if you have a 2nd mortgage that was part of the purchase as the 20% of the 80/20. Are you SOL on this then?
 
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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

I think you're going to have to figure out a way to get rid of that 20%.

Perhaps if you can settle with them for pennies on the dollar first...I dunno. You'll have to contact the 2nd mortage company first and get their buy-in.

I have a 20% but they were both through Countrywide, so I'm hoping that makes it a non-issue.


This bill does not provide any extra help for those with two mortgages, unfortunately. The 2nd has to go away before entering the program.
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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

What kind of rates are we talking?? 9.8% is killing me and I do not want to end up in another loan like this. Will they do 15 years instead of 30?? I ask because before we refinanced we had a 15 and there wasn't much difference in payments between a 15 year and a 30 year. Just curious...this would be good for us, except for the 50% part pay back when everything thing bounces back. It actually may cost us more in the long run that way but it would allow us to keep our house. (Our house we only owe $150,000.00 and the current value is probably around $130,000.00)
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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

Hopefully, this passes and works for all of us. A principle reduction is the only way I'll be able to stay in home. I have over $100,000 in negative equity, so there's no way I'll be able to refinance any time soon.
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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

On rates, expect market rates + 1.5% additional FHA insurance.

Someone with good credit might get 8%, others 9%-10% (guessing here).

But your mortgage balance would be significantly lowered, so hopefully it results in the same or less payment.


If you can pay the same but be paying principal (versus interest only), and have a 30 year fixed, would you? I sure would. If I received an 8% rate then I'd be paying $400 a less/month PLUS paying down principal.

Like AmericanNightmare, my home is 30% underwater ($~200,000, in OC). I won't be able to refinance this nor pay down enough in order to keep my house in the coming years.
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What happens when you sell/refnance?

There are two stipulations for getting out of the loan..

So lets assume you DO get to participate (yay!):

When you sell or refinance, you have to pay a 3% fee to the FHA based on the mortgage balance . It is unclear to me whether this is based on the original mortgage amount or what you might have paid it down to.

Second, you owe a percentage of profits to the government. It is a sliding scale, and if you stay in the house for 5 years, you will always owe 50% of the profits.

So let's do a hypothetical:

You have a mortgage balance of $300,000 after participating in the program. In 5 years the home is worth $350,000. You refinance.

You will owe $9,000 to the FHA (unless it is based on remaining mortgage balance, then it would be less), plus $25,000 in profits. You would owe $34,000 in order to refinance at this stage. The other lender would most likely require 20% equity, so your balance would need to be down to $290,000 in order to meet this requirement.

So, in 5 years, you pay $34,000 to get out underneath the government's heel. In return you'll pay the market rates without FHA insurance (let's say ~6.5%), so you'll save money. Plus at this point you would have no further obligation to the government and could keep any further appreciation.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

Do you know if there are stipulations concerning VA loans serviced through Countrywide? We have a fixed VA loan at 5.875% and are upside down on our home. We are not late on payments and there are houses like ours selling across the street for $176,000 and $166,000 and we still owe $317,000 on our house after paying for 2 years. We would like to get a loan modification or refinanace at current market values now. My husband is in the military and if we don't take care of this now in two years when we have to move we will be in no position to sell the house for what we still owe on it. I called Countrywide yesterday and was told that a current apprasial from them has our house at $210,000. I have no problem getting the loan redone for that amount and in two years when we move, selling the house and giving back the monies earned to Countrywide. I think that with the current market values in Arizona a loan for $210,000 on my house is more realistic than one for $317,000. When selling in two years, we might even be able to return some money to Countrywide. This kind of sounds like what the new bill would do. Any suggestions or comments are appreciated!
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The program as written seems to require a specific debt to income ratio; if you meet it, perhaps you can convince the lender to let you participate in the program based on your military situation.
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Re: Final Housing Bill Passes House, Bush to Sign into Law

Does that mean if I am in foreclosure and now have bad credit does that exclude me?
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