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New second mortgage help program?

Does anyone know any details about the new program for second mortgage help?


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Re: New second mortgage help program?

WASHINGTON – The Obama Administration today announced details of new efforts to help bring relief to responsible homeowners under the Making Home Affordable Program, including an effort to achieve greater affordability for homeowners by lowering payments on their second mortgages as well as a set of measures to help underwater borrowers stay in their homes.

“With these latest program details, we’re offering even more opportunities for borrowers to make their homes more affordable under the Administration’s housing plan,” said Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner. “Ensuring that responsible homeowners can afford to stay in their homes is critical to stabilizing the housing market, which is in turn critical to stabilizing our financial system overall. Every step we take forward is done with that imperative in mind.”

"Today's announcements will make it easier for borrowers to modify or refinance their loans under FHA's Hope for Homeowners program," said HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan. "We encourage Congress to enact the necessary legislative changes to make the Hope for Homeowners program an integral part of the Making Home Affordable Program."

The Second Lien Program announced today will work in tandem with first lien modifications offered under the Home Affordable Modification Program to deliver a comprehensive affordability solution for struggling borrowers. Second mortgages can create significant challenges in helping borrowers avoid foreclosure, even when a first lien is modified. Up to 50 percent of at-risk mortgages have second liens, and many properties in foreclosure have more than one lien. Under the Second Lien Program, when a Home Affordable Modification is initiated on a first lien, servicers participating in the Second Lien Program will automatically reduce payments on the associated second lien according to a pre-set protocol. Alternatively, servicers will have the option to extinguish the second lien in return for a lump sum payment under a pre-set formula determined by Treasury, allowing servicers to target principal extinguishment to the borrowers where extinguishment is most appropriate.

Separately, the Administration has also announced steps to incorporate the Federal Housing Administration’s (FHA) Hope for Homeowners into Making Home Affordable. Hope for Homeowners requires the holder of the mortgage to accept a payoff below the current market value of the home, allowing the borrower to refinance into a new FHA-guaranteed loan. Refinancing into a new loan below the home’s market value takes a borrower from a position of being underwater to having equity in their home. By increasing a homeowner’s equity in the home, Hope for Homeowners can produce a better outcome for borrowers who qualify.

Under the changes announced today and, when evaluating borrowers for a Home Affordable Modification, servicers will be required to determine eligibility for a Hope for Homeowners refinancing. Where Hope for Homeowners proves to be viable, the servicer must offer this option to the borrower. To ensure proper alignment of incentives, servicers and lenders will receive pay-for-success payments for Hope for Homeowners refinancings similar to those offered for Home Affordable Modifications. These additional supports are designed to work in tandem and take effect with the improved and expanded program under consideration by Congress. The Administration supports legislation to strengthen Hope for Homeowners so that it can function effectively as an integral part of the Making Home Affordable Program.

Making Home Affordable, a comprehensive plan to stabilize the U.S. housing market, was first announced by the Administration on February 18. The three part program includes aggressive measures to support low mortgage rates by strengthening confidence in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac; a Home Affordable Refinance Program, which will provide new access to refinancing for up to 4 to 5 million homeowners; and a Home Affordable Modification Program, which will reduce monthly payments on existing first lien mortgages for up to 3 to 4 million at-risk homeowners. Two weeks later, the Administration published detailed guidelines for the Home Affordable Modification Program and authorized servicers to begin modifications under the plan immediately. Twelve servicers, including the five largest, have now signed contracts and begun modifications under the program. Between loans covered by these servicers and loans owned or securitized by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, more than75 percent of all loans in the country are now covered by the Making Home Affordable Program.

Continuing to bolster its outreach around the program, the Administration also announced today a new effort to engage directly with homeowners via MakingHomeAffordable.gov. Starting today, homeowners will have the ability to submit individual questions through the website to the Administration’s housing team. Members of the Treasury and HUD staffs will periodically select commonly asked questions and post responses on MakingHomeAffordable.gov. To submit a question, homeowners can visit Making Home Affordable - Asked and Answered: Questions from Homeowners like You. Selected questions from homeowners across the country and responses from the Administration will be available at Making Home Affordable - Asked and Answered.

For additional details on the program announced today, please see the Program Update Fact Sheet.

http://www.financialstability.gov/do...nFactSheet.pdf

http://www.financialstability.gov/do...ngExamples.pdf
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Old 04-28-2009, 09:59 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: New second mortgage help program?

Well holy shiznit. Is this for real? Crazy. There may be hope for us after all!
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Re: New second mortgage help program?

Thanks ***!
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Question Re: New second mortgage help program?

I read through the documents that were linked to ***'s news article and I now have some questions:
  1. WHEN does the 2nd mortgage help program begin? There was no date given in the fact sheet.
  2. HOW do we go about getting help for 1st and/or 2nd mortgages IF our lender doesn't seem to be interested in helping? I won't mention names, but my 1st and 2nd loan servicers are the same...
  3. WHAT about those of us who, thru no fault of our own, now find ourselves unemployed in the worst job market in decades? "Job loss" was mentioned twice during the intro paragraph of the fact sheet, but nowhere else.
  4. Over 2 months ago (while I still had a job), NACA submitted a loan modification request to WACHOVIA, rolling both loans into one. Two weeks later, as soon as I found out about my position being eliminated, NACA sumitted a request for a loan forbearance. No response from WACHOVIA on either request, despited repeated status requests from NACA.
SHOULD I contact NACA or WACHOVIA regarding PRINCIPLE WRITEDOWNS under this new plan? Currently, my MONTHLY Loan 01 + Loan 02 + condo fees SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEEDS my MONTHLY unemployment benefits by almost $500. >>
  1. CAN somebody translate the Fact Sheet into something the average person can understand? I don’t have a law degree, but I am reasonably intelligent – and I had a difficult time understanding the content.
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Re: New second mortgage help program?

The Second Lien Program will be a voluntary parallel program to the first lien modification program.

It is being done along with the Making Home Affordable modification on the first lien, it isn't a program that is offered by itself on second liens....................so if the investor is not working with you on a modification under the Making Home Affordable program on the first lien...........your second lien will not be eligible under this program. If you are going through NACA.............this program will not apply as you would need to be going through Wachovia first for the Making Home Affordable modification program.
https://www.wachovia.com/foundation/...extfmt=default

The guidelines for the income/expense verification being used, are the ones that are in the Making Home Affordable modification..........this has not changed.

http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/...guidelines.pdf
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Re: New second mortgage help program?

So silly. I'm on the phone with CW and they are insisting that the new program is handled directly with the 2nd mortgage, as a seperate modification. I keep reading her direction from the MHA site, she keeps trying to tell me I am wrong, but without rebutting any of the information I'm giving her. Idiots.
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Re: New second mortgage help program?

My read of the press release (disclaimer: I've only read the press release) tells me that modification of the second loan is, in fact, handled by the second lienholder. So if your second loan is not with CW, then they really can't do anything about it.

Like *** already mentioned, participation in this added part of the plan is voluntary. If your second lienholder does not participate in this plan, then you're not going to get any relief.

We all probably need to wait until the dust settles and the guidelines are published. Remember, when President Obama first announced the plan for first loans in mid-February, it was not until early March that the guidelines were set. Until then, none of the lenders could start enrolling people in the program.

And let's try to give all the workers at CW and other lenders a break. They're overworked and underpaid. They're not the recipients of the bonuses that we read about. They're foot soldiers in an unholy war. If I were given brand new information a day ago and was expected to have mastered it by now, I think I would stumble a few times.
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Re: New second mortgage help program?

Has anyone found any information that clarifies the "voluntary" participation part? Does voluntarily participating in the initial MHA program constitute voluntarily under the 2nd lien program, or is that a separate "contract" to participate. I know it mentions in some of the documents as having the second lien automatically modify upon the first mortgage being done, but nothing really clarifies the voluntary part and if it's a separate agreement to participate.
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Re: New second mortgage help program?

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Has anyone found any information that clarifies the "voluntary" participation part? Does voluntarily participating in the initial MHA program constitute voluntarily under the 2nd lien program, or is that a separate "contract" to participate. I know it mentions in some of the documents as having the second lien automatically modify upon the first mortgage being done, but nothing really clarifies the voluntary part and if it's a separate agreement to participate.
This smells like another "HOPE for Homeowners" case; no lender is actually going to participate...
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Re: New second mortgage help program?

Well, I am going thru modification via MHA affordable program for my first (fannie Mae) and now starting on my 2nd both of which are with WAMU now Chase. I had to apply for it seperately. I get the impression from the rep she couldnt understand why the people in Loss Mitigation whom handle the first dont handle the 2nd liens. Although I understand the 2nd really is more a consumer line of credit. The rep sounds ok and may be workable to a solution. problem is I dont have money to do a buy out...like many of us. I am wondering how many lenders really follow the guidelines. I think it is an individual case by case arrangement.
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Re: New second mortgage help program?

Yipeeee! Thanks ***! BTW - you guys here are great - I really appreciate your good & timely info and Moe & staff really care about us poor schlubs, which is rare in CA, or anywhere, really.
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Re: New second mortgage help program?

snapple,

Do you know for a fact that the 2nd lien mod your are starting is part of the Obama plan? Will you get the 'paid-for-success' incentives?

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Re: New second mortgage help program?

ugh,
I do not know if they are following Obama guidelines for seconds since we havent gotten that far yet. I only just found out that it was Chase whom is requeting an inside BPO of the house. This did not occur for the 1st lien. I told them this am, why do they have to do another one when Chase already did a BPO....they said that is different department (it it) and we dont have access to that info. I need to read up on the guidelines for the 2nd modification......so I am prepared when we got down and dirty into this. I am underwater 100K so I am clueless why they need to do this. Go figure.
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Re: New second mortgage help program?

Ok, just got off the phone with Chase regarding my 2nd lien. It appears they are going to mimic 1st lien Home Affordable program and put me on a 3mth trial modification with my payments 50% of what they were. I am probably 100K underwater and the 2nd is only 30K. They stated that once I get the 1st modification, then they will work something for the 2nd that will again mimic the 1st. IE: reduced payments and % for 5 years. Whatever terms I receive, they will give me the same. I did ask about extinguishing the 2nd and they said they dont do that.........I may have to play hard ball in the end and/or get my attorney involved.
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Re: New second mortgage help program?

snapple, that's great!

yes, extinguishing the second is going to be the holy grail of modification. if you don't mind me asking, were you current on your payments before the mod?

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Re: New second mortgage help program?

Yes, the holy grail for sure although I am not thinking I am going to be offered an reduction in the balance and that is what concerns me in the long run. Lets say in 3-5 I want to sell? I will still owe more than the place is worth and back to where I am now. In a house I am underwater in. Extinguishing the 2nd at least made the 1st modification and the "underwater" part more palatable. My original payment was about $120-$135 and varied with prime. They are going to reduce the payment to $44. I am about 3 mths delinquent on my payments. I decided to stop paying when they served me notice of sale on the first.
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Re: New second mortgage help program?

Well, I just got off the phone with a Foreclosure Prevention specialist at Freddie Mac (the investor of my first loan); she says that she was at a meeting with the Treasury last week and brought up the news articles about the Second Lien Program that I and other workshop attendees had given her. The Treasury rep told her that the Second Lien Program was not up-and-running yet; it was in the works, but there currently is NO TIMELINE for when it will be available...
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No timeline huh? You would think this would get top priority.
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